What is the Range of a Differentiable Function with a Given Derivative at x=2?

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The problem involves a differentiable function defined by the equation f( (x+y)/3 ) = ( 2 + f(x) + f(y) ) / 3, with a known derivative at a specific point. The goal is to find the range of f( |x| ). Participants are exploring the implications of the given derivative and the functional equation.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are attempting to deduce properties of the function f(x) based on its behavior at specific points, such as f(0) and the relationship between f(x) and f(-x). Questions arise about the significance of the derivative provided and how it relates to the function's symmetry.

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There is ongoing exploration of the relationships between f(x), f(-x), and their derivatives. Some participants have proposed substitutions to clarify these relationships, while others express confusion regarding the implications of their findings. No consensus has been reached on the next steps or the overall approach to solving the problem.

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Participants note the challenge of deriving further information about f(x) given the constraints of the problem, including the functional equation and the derivative at x=2. The discussion reflects uncertainty about the nature of the function and its properties.

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Homework Statement


A function from R-->R is differentiable and follows f( (x+y)/3 ) =( 2 + f(x) + f(y) ) / 3
Derivative of f(x) at x=2 is 2

Find the range of f ( |x| )


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The Attempt at a Solution


Well the questions asks me the range of f( |x| ). But i don't even know f(x). I did find the value of f(0) which is 2. And i don't know what to do afterwards. I have no idea why the value of derivative is given.
 
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jd12345 said:

Homework Statement


A function from R-->R is differentiable and follows f( (x+y)/3 ) =( 2 + f(x) + f(y) ) / 3
Derivative of f(x) at x=2 is 2

Find the range of f ( |x| )

Homework Equations



The Attempt at a Solution


Well the questions asks me the range of f( |x| ). But i don't even know f(x). I did find the value of f(0) which is 2. And i don't know what to do afterwards. I have no idea why the value of derivative is given.
How is f(-x) related to f(x) ?
Hint: Let y = -x .
Use that result to see how f '(-x) is related to f '(x) .
 
Two more substitutions that might be helpful:
y = x (which you may have used to fin f(0) )

and

y = 2x .
 
Ok (by using spoiler) f(0) = 2 + f(x) + f(-x) / 3
=> 6 = 2 + f(x) +f(-x)
=> 4 = f(x) +f(-x)
Thus 0 = f '(x) - f '(-x)
f '(x) = f '(-x)
f '(x) is even so f(x) is odd.

But if f(x) is odd then f(x) + f (-x) = 0 but i found out earlier that it is equal to 4. A bit confused
 
jd12345 said:
Ok (by using spoiler) f(0) = 2 + f(x) + f(-x) / 3
=> 6 = 2 + f(x) +f(-x)
=> 4 = f(x) +f(-x)
Thus 0 = f '(x) - f '(-x)
f '(x) = f '(-x)
f '(x) is even so f(x) is odd. This is not true.

But if f(x) is odd then f(x) + f (-x) = 0 but i found out earlier that it is equal to 4. A bit confused
If f(x) is odd, then it is true that f '(x) is even, but the converse is not necessarily true.

If f '(x) is odd, then it does follow that f(x) is even.

In your case, 4 = f(x) +f(-x), so that f(-x) = -f(x) + 4 . Therefore, f(x) is not odd.

Consider the function g(x) defined as g(x) = f(x) - 2.

g(x) is odd.
 
Oh ok - but still i cannot solve the initial problem. This is what i have done till now:-
f(0) = 2
f(x) = f(-x) + 4 and f '(x) = f ' (-x)
Are they right? and what else do i need to do?
 
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SammyS said:
Two more substitutions that might be helpful:
y = x (which you may have used to find f(0) )

and

y = 2x .

See what derivative relationships result from the above.

Also, you might consider investigating the behavior of the function g(x) .
 

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