What is the reality of finding a perfect partner?

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The discussion centers around the complexities of relationships and the frustrations of being single. Participants express a mix of sadness and hope regarding their romantic prospects, questioning what sacrifices are reasonable in a partnership. Many emphasize the importance of maintaining individuality and not expecting partners to give up essential aspects of themselves for the sake of the relationship. The conversation highlights the need for compatibility in values and interests, suggesting that successful relationships often involve shared goals rather than stark differences. Participants also reflect on their own relationship experiences, noting that being single can have its advantages, such as independence and self-sufficiency. The dialogue reveals a desire for meaningful connections while acknowledging the challenges of finding the right partner without compromising personal values or happiness.
  • #121
saltydog said:
I'm afraid you're one out of 200 or so that would rather do that. Don't you think men want women to act like women and not like them?
Are you kidding? I dislike sports, but I really would rather sit and watch a game and drink beer (the more beer you drink, the easier it is to watch the game, by the way) than sit around having some twit poke at my cuticles with a stick or gas me with hairspray. I've never had anyone question whether I act like a woman, I just don't need to cover myself in paint to show it. It's interesting when I hear from my married male friends and they tell me what movie they went to see or rented on the weekend or some such thing, and follow it with "not my choice, obviously." I end up wondering if they ever get to see a movie they would choose or like. Somehow, it seems to me it would be a bonus to meet someone with shared tastes in things like that so you could enjoy being with your spouse AND enjoy the movie too, not choose one or the other (one guy I know ends up going to the movies alone to see what he enjoys because he wife won't join him, even though he goes along to see the "chick flicks" she likes). I don't even attempt to understand anymore. As far as I can tell, the only reason they stay married is they're both from families that are too strongly Catholic to get a divorce without being considered an embarrassment to the family.
 
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  • #122
i just have to say that compared to you guys, I'm some weird gal. I love manicures and especially pedicures! the fake nails are too much, (i got them once and cut them right away so i could play guitar...) but its fun getting all pretty and dolled up! course i love football, so i never mind watching the games, but usually i watch on the little tv in the kitchen while making snacks and stuff, but i like to cook, so that's cool too...
 
  • #123
The_Professional said:
you know, guys are thinking along the same lines..
Guys think?

Yeah, I haven't read the rest yet. I just wanted to say that I'm better. I didn't actually change or figure anything out. I was just able to stop worrying so much about other people's expectations. Well, so I guess other than that, I didn't change or figure anything out. Heh. Anywho, I think everyone should try it if they haven't already. I don't mean not worrying about people's expectations and such to the point of being inconsiderate; I just mean not letting yourself feel imprisoned by them. Ah, I don't even know how I got in, but getting out is so exhilarating! :cool: I'm finally back to being myself again. (For better or for worse... :biggrin:)
Okay, so I have to say this too. I love being alone. And I love good people. Good people being happy literally makes me happy. And when I can make good people happy, it makes me even happier. And when other good people and I have our, whatever, circumstances and characteristics all aligned or whatever in such a way that allows us to spend time together doing things that make us happy and making each other happy, it makes me, well, even happier still. It's so great. Everyone should try it. Okay, I think I'm done now. Heh.

So what's really wrong with men? For starters, I think it might be being shoved into a category like that...
 
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  • #124
honestrosewater said:
So what's really wrong with men?
Television.

If you didn't have television, you wouldn't have talk shows with Oprah Winfrey or Dr. Phil and women wouldn't even think to ask what's wrong with men. That would also mean men couldn't spend all weekend watching football on TV. You also wouldn't have beer commercials.
 
  • #125
BobG said:
Television.
If you didn't have television, you wouldn't have talk shows with Oprah Winfrey or Dr. Phil and women wouldn't even think to ask what's wrong with men. That would also mean men couldn't spend all weekend watching football on TV. You also wouldn't have beer commercials.

well said, i too think TV should be blamed.
 
  • #126
BobG said:
Television.
If you didn't have television, you wouldn't have talk shows with Oprah Winfrey or Dr. Phil and women wouldn't even think to ask what's wrong with men. That would also mean men couldn't spend all weekend watching football on TV. You also wouldn't have beer commercials.
What?! I'm a man?!? Wow, that explains a lot.

Or not...
 
  • #127
honestrosewater said:
What?! I'm a man?!? Wow, that explains a lot.

Or not...
I didn't say "you're a man". I said "television". They don't even sound the same.

It just goes to show you - it's impossible to communicate with women. :rolleyes:
 
  • #128
BobG said:
Television.
If you didn't have television, you wouldn't have talk shows with Oprah Winfrey or Dr. Phil and women wouldn't even think to ask what's wrong with men. That would also mean men couldn't spend all weekend watching football on TV. You also wouldn't have beer commercials.
Wow, that really seems to sum it all up! Televisions must be banned! :biggrin:
 
  • #129
Moonbear said:
Wow, that really seems to sum it all up! Televisions must be banned! :biggrin:
You two work for a radio company, don't you?

Oh, speaking of beer commercials, you know those Malibu Rum commercials with the Caribbean people? Haha, I love those. They're hilarious. I'll see if I can find them somewhere.
Yeah, they're at their website (to enter, you must be legal drinking age, or at least tell them you are :rolleyes:). Check 'em out. Funny stuff. http://www.malibu-rum.com/

Oh, man, it's total gridlock! :smile: :smile:

I want that fish! :smile: :smile:

I just want to buy a melon. :smile: :smile:

Is your mother proud of you? :smile: :smile:
 
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  • #130
Ah, so there is nothing actually wrong with men. The problem is that women were watching television instead of reading the http://orefa.com/misc/men_rules.html" . :smile:
 
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  • #131
I find this thread insulting and degrading. I just wanted you to know that.
 
  • #132
franznietzsche said:
I find this thread insulting and degrading. I just wanted you to know that.
...and you read it all the way to page nine! :rolleyes:

I think most of it is pretty funny.
 
  • #133
Orefa said:
...and you read it all the way to page nine! :rolleyes:
I think most of it is pretty funny.

no, i read the first page, and the last page.
 
  • #135
Yeah, but franznietzsche forgot to mention that being insulted and degraded turns him on. (Freak.)
 
  • #136
Has anyone found me a young penguinish girl yet?
 
  • #137
Pengwuino said:
Has anyone found me a young penguinish girl yet?
Hey, my restraining order expires this weekend. :wink:

(If that line works, I am a god.)
 
  • #138
honestrosewater said:
Hey, my restraining order expires this weekend. :wink:
(If that line works, I am a god.)

Mine expired last friday :!) :!) :!) :!)
 
  • #139
honestrosewater said:
Guys think?

and your point is?
 
  • #140
Moonbear said:
. . . (the more beer you drink, the easier it is to watch the game, by the way) . . . .
I thought you were going to say that the more beer, the better the guy looks. :smile: :smile: :smile:
 
  • #141
Astronuc said:
I thought you were going to say that the more beer, the better the guy looks. :smile: :smile: :smile:
Well, that too, but I'd have to already think he was pretty good looking if he got me to agree to watch a game with him. :biggrin:
 
  • #142
. . . then the anger that he had been unexpectedly left alone with the baby for two hours . . .
I read this, and I still find it unbelievable! And it breaks my heart.

My daughter was born during the last few months of grad school, so I adjusted my schedule around my wife and daughter. My wife expressed breast milk so that I could give my daughter (and 3 years later with my son) breast milk while she either went to work (during the week) or went shopping on the weekends.

When my daughter experienced jaundice during the second week after birth, we had to keep her under a bili-light. Someone had to watch her constantly. During the day, my wife was home and watched over her. I pulled all-nighters (grading homework and tests) to watch over her at night, and then went to school during the day. I slept for a few hours in the evening between the time I got home and the time my wife went to bed.
 
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  • #143
BobG said:
What makes you think the man's biggest problem will be watching his wife raise the kids?

What makes you think that's my concern. I mentioned tolerance and patience and people take these words to hold a negative connotation.

I mean tolerance as in the ability to cope with no sleep, no hangin wit da homeboys... escaping to work to pay for the 70 diapers a week that you get to change maybe 30 of if you and your wife are lucky.

There's the sweet potatos, the oatmeal being spat all over you and the worries that the kid isn't eating...or is eating too much... has swallowed a bottle cap or will never learn to walk or talk. These are the details men are only able to catch romantic little glimpses of... while the wife/lover/cheerleader/captured french princess is now a full time mother... totally utilitarian to the offspring. Not much else.

The new mother loses perspective, in many cases, and doesn't see the romance in child bearing after awhile... and, if you thought she screamed in delivery, wait til you arrive late with the diaper's, dinner and the relief you represent to her as the "other half" of the parenting team.

Meanwhile, is the man readjusting his bowels after birth? Is his stomache slowly claiming back a former glory after being stretched to the size of a beach ball? No. Are his hormones so out of whack they show up on radar? No.

The man is in a position where he can choose to remain calm, no matter what little **** is going on or how he feels about losing some time with the homies or getting poopy on his shirt. He holds the advantage here and has a responsibilty to maintain a level atmosphere in the home for his child and his spouse.

The day my 11 month-old took a dump that squished out of the diaper and down my leg (I didn't feel it because it was the same temp. as me) into my shoe... is the day I realized fatherhood was not about reacting... its about supporting and appreciating what all this is teaching you about yourself... and life in general.
 
  • #144
quantumcarl said:
What makes you think that's my concern. I mentioned tolerance and patience and people take these words to hold a negative connotation.
I mean tolerance as in the ability to cope with no sleep, no hangin wit da homeboys... escaping to work to pay for the 70 diapers a week that you get to change maybe 30 of if you and your wife are lucky.
There's the sweet potatos, the oatmeal being spat all over you and the worries that the kid isn't eating...or is eating too much... has swallowed a bottle cap or will never learn to walk or talk. These are the details men are only able to catch romantic little glimpses of... while the wife/lover/cheerleader/captured french princess is now a full time mother... totally utilitarian to the offspring. Not much else.
The new mother loses perspective, in many cases, and doesn't see the romance in child bearing after awhile... and, if you thought she screamed in delivery, wait til you arrive late with the diaper's, dinner and the relief you represent to her as the "other half" of the parenting team.
Meanwhile, is the man readjusting his bowels after birth? Is his stomache slowly claiming back a former glory after being stretched to the size of a beach ball? No. Are his hormones so out of whack they show up on radar? No.
The man is in a position where he can choose to remain calm, no matter what little **** is going on or how he feels about losing some time with the homies or getting poopy on his shirt. He holds the advantage here and has a responsibilty to maintain a level atmosphere in the home for his child and his spouse.
The day my 11 month-old took a dump that squished out of the diaper and down my leg (I didn't feel it because it was the same temp. as me) into my shoe... is the day I realized fatherhood was not about reacting... its about supporting and appreciating what all this is teaching you about yourself... and life in general.

The woman is taking care of a new born infant and the husband (if he's worth his weight) is taking care of both a new born infant and a recovering wife.
 
  • #145
honestrosewater said:
Of course I don't think the same thing is wrong with all of them. :-p That's just my way of saying that I'm sad and frustrated because I'd like to not be alone for the rest of my life, but I don't know what to do about it.

(Men and women,) What would you expect your spouse-type partner person to give up in order to have a happy relationship with you?

If you're seriously looking to get involved with someone, you might want to start by giving up that thing about not being in a relationship for 8 years or whatever it was. Loneliness might be expected when you purposely isolate yourself.
 
  • #146
Whoa, when did loseryourname become a mentor?? Awesome.
 
  • #147
loseyourname said:
If you're seriously looking to get involved with someone, you might want to start by giving up that thing about not being in a relationship for 8 years or whatever it was. Loneliness might be expected when you purposely isolate yourself.
Done. Though I'm not looking to get involved with anyone in particular.

I started a reply to earlier comments, but I'm not in a condition to finish it.
 
  • #148
Hurkyl said:
Are you letting it be known that you're looking? (how would one go about doing that anyways -- I mean to let it be known you're looking, as opposed to being interested in anyone in particular -- I mean for people who don't go to bars)
I actually haven't been "looking". I was just looking ahead. Right now, I don't want any kind of relationship other than a friendship. Or rather, I already classify all (voluntary) relationships as friendships, as based on (or having as their goal) utility, pleasure, or character. (If anyone recognizes Aristotle in any of this, it's not a coincidence; I do tend to agree with and turn to him more than I agree with and turn to others, and if you know him, you probably know something about me too.) The "best" type is based on character, where you recognize the other as a good person and want to make them happy and help them develop as a person for their own good, and so on... it's pretty predictable stuff, I think. I think sex is what causes most of the problems. Perhaps it's that people, in general or perhaps only in my experience, don't question assumptions about sex enough. That I avoided even mentioning anything much about sex until now just futher convinces me of that, since I'm normally pretty much completely open and unabashed when it comes to anything regarding sex -- and I love questioning implicit assumptions. I don't know. Maybe I shouldn't talk about it. Does it make people uncomfortable? Does anyone think it's inappropriate to discuss in public? Why?

Anywho, I don't like or go to bars either. I guess narrowing things down would help... would the person you might want a relationship with have any special properties? If so, would those properties make them tend to frequent certain places? If so, go to those places and get the message out. I don't know though... makes sense to me, but I don't really have any experience there yet. Men (or boys, really) were always just around before.
I must admit that after this thread, you suddenly seem cute. :smile: I had simply never thought anything about it before. I imagine "real-life" effects would be similar.
:smile: Yeah, maybe. I don't know if I fit anyone's expectations. I think you're cute too though. Why do I seem cute? Anything in particular that you're aware of?

Um, that wasn't all aimed at you either. Hm. I guess I'm not very good at explaining or talking about this stuff yet. Um, yeah. :smile: I don't know anything.
 
  • #149
I'm cute. You know it.

Penguino is cute. Ha, I crack myself up.
 
  • #150
honestrosewater said:
I actually haven't been "looking". I was just looking ahead. Right now, I don't want any kind of relationship other than a friendship. Or rather, I already classify all (voluntary) relationships as friendships, as based on (or having as their goal) utility, pleasure, or character. (If anyone recognizes Aristotle in any of this, it's not a coincidence; I do tend to agree with and turn to him more than I agree with and turn to others, and if you know him, you probably know something about me too.) The "best" type is based on character, where you recognize the other as a good person and want to make them happy and help them develop as a person for their own good, and so on... it's pretty predictable stuff, I think. I think sex is what causes most of the problems. Perhaps it's that people, in general or perhaps only in my experience, don't question assumptions about sex enough. That I avoided even mentioning anything much about sex until now just futher convinces me of that, since I'm normally pretty much completely open and unabashed when it comes to anything regarding sex -- and I love questioning implicit assumptions. I don't know. Maybe I shouldn't talk about it. Does it make people uncomfortable? Does anyone think it's inappropriate to discuss in public? Why?
As for friendship. My wife and I started out as friends among a larger group of friends. Our forum was the house of mutual friends who were living together. We used to get together for dinners or parties on a Friday or during the weekend (I was living about 90 miles away). Various members of the group were musicians, so we often sat around listening to music. However, all folks were in university or had graduated, and the group would get involved in discussions, much like the ones seen throughout PF - GD, P&WA, and various matters on science.

My wife, at the time a divorcee who had returned to finish university, and I would get into some interesting discussions (I was studying nuclear engineering and she was anti-nuclear), and gradually she and I would separate from the group and just talk - for hours. I usually helped in the kitchen with cooking and then washing dishes and cleaning after dinner. So my wife would join me in the kitchen and we both worked together - and talk.

We started dating - and the communication continued. Three months after we started dating, I proposed and she accepted. Since I was still living 90 miles from where she was living, we could only see each other on weekends and holidays/school breaks, and we more or less lived together (as much we could) while we were engaged, and finishing school. We got married about two weeks after we graduated, and then we went to graduate school together.

There is usually a certain sensitivity when discussing initimacy in public. Sexual intimacy should not be a 'problem' IF the couple involved communicates. Communication is the key in any relationship. Lack of communication is probably the root cause of most problems in a relationship.

honestrosewater said:
would the person you might want a relationship with have any special properties? If so, would those properties make them tend to frequent certain places? If so, go to those places and get the message out. I don't know though... makes sense to me, but I don't really have any experience there yet.
As for special properties - I needed a woman with whom I could share my thoughts and who would be my best friend. Obviously, we had to share certain goals and expectations, e.g. career and family. I guess I was very lucky and I found the right woman. Keep in mind, it has not been perfect. We have had ups and downs - but - we have stayed together and worked things through.

Men (or boys, really) were always just around before.
And they always will be. :biggrin:

honestrosewater said:
:smile: I don't know if I fit anyone's expectations. Why do I seem cute? Anything in particular that you're aware of?
I think you probably do fit some men's expectations or hopes or dreams. HRW - your questions, comments and sense of humor are endearing.

If I was unmarried at this point in my life, I would probably being looking on PF for a woman (actually I know I would) based on the level of thoughtfulness and intelligence expressed by many women here (particluarly the sisters). My age would limit my selection.

honestrosewater said:
Um, that wasn't all aimed at you either. Hm. I guess I'm not very good at explaining or talking about this stuff yet. Um, yeah. :smile: I don't know anything.
That's cute, and your postings indicate that you know many things. :smile:
 

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