What is the Relationship between Arc Length and Angle Phi on a Helix?

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The discussion focuses on calculating the relationship between arc length (s) and the angle phi (φ) for a particle moving along a helix defined by the parametric equations x(φ)=a cos φ, y(φ)=a sin φ, and z(φ)=c φ. Participants emphasize the need to derive the tangent, normal, and binormal vectors using the position vector \overrightarrow{r}(s) and to compute the path velocity with initial conditions s(t=0)=0 and s'(0)=0. Additionally, the concept of conserved quantities is suggested as a potential simplification for solving the problem.

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Dear physicist,
my task is to calculate the acceleration of a particle of mass m which moves without friction in the Earth's gravitational field on a helix:
The helix is parameterized as shown:

x(\phi)=a cos \phi
y(\phi)=a sin \phi
z(\phi)=c \phi

formed with a radius a,gradient c as constants and the angle \phi which mimics the projection of the radius vector on the x, y plane of the axis x with \phi \in 0<= \phi<\infty

What is the relationship between the arc length s and the angle phi?
Also, I need to derivate the tangents, normals and binormal vector by using \overrightarrow{r}(s)
and calculate the end nor the path velocity (with s (t = 0) = 0, s' (0) = 0).

I'm afraid not to have any approaches to solve the problem :/
I would appreciate every hint.
 
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sitzpillow said:
Dear physicist,
my task is to calculate the acceleration of a particle of mass m which moves without friction in the Earth's gravitational field on a helix:
The helix is parameterized as shown:

x(\phi)=a cos \phi
y(\phi)=a sin \phi
z(\phi)=c \phi

formed with a radius a,gradient c as constants and the angle \phi which mimics the projection of the radius vector on the x, y plane of the axis x with \phi \in 0<= \phi<\infty

What is the relationship between the arc length s and the angle phi?
Also, I need to derivate the tangents, normals and binormal vector by using \overrightarrow{r}(s)
and calculate the end nor the path velocity (with s (t = 0) = 0, s' (0) = 0).

I'm afraid not to have any approaches to solve the problem :/
I would appreciate every hint.

Can you think of a conserved quantity that might make this problem easier?

You may also want to consider velocity expressed in other than Cartesian coordinates (if that isn't giving too much help!).
 
@sitzpillow -- You are required to show us your efforts toward the solution before we can offer much tutorial help. Please use the hint provided by PeroK and show us your efforts...
 
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