What is the relationship between partial derivatives in thermodynamics?

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The discussion focuses on the relationship between partial derivatives in thermodynamics, specifically how to express one partial derivative in terms of others using Euler's chain rule and the "splitter" method. A user seeks assistance in manipulating these derivatives, particularly when introducing an additional variable, u. The solution involves differentiating the expression for dz with respect to y while holding u constant and applying the chain rule effectively. The conversation also touches on comparing heat capacities at constant pressure and volume, demonstrating that the specific heat at constant pressure is always higher. Overall, the thread emphasizes the application of mathematical techniques to thermodynamic relationships.
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Show that: \left(\frac{\partial z}{\partial y}\right)_{u} = \left(\frac{\partial z}{\partial x}\right)_{y} \left[ \left(\frac{\partial x}{\partial y}\right)_{u} - \left(\frac{\partial x}{\partial y}\right)_{z} \right]

I have Euler's chain rule and "the splitter." Also the property, called the "inverter" where you can reciprocate a partial derivative.

If I write Euler's chain rule, I only know how to write it when there are 3 variables, I usually write it in the form:
\left(\frac{\partial x}{\partial y}\right)_{z} \left(\frac{\partial y}{\partial z}\right)_{x} \left(\frac{\partial z}{\partial x}\right)_{y} = -1

Where I can write x,y,z in any order as long as each variable is used in every spot. However, I do not know how to work this chain rule if I have an extra variable (u in this case).

I also tried using the "splitter" to do something like writing:
\left(\frac{\partial z}{\partial y} \right)_{u} = \left(\frac{\partial z}{\partial x} \right)_{u} \left(\frac{\partial x}{\partial y}\right)_{u}

However, I do not know what to do with this because I have the term
\left(\frac{\partial z}{\partial x} \right)_{u} , which doesn't appear in the original problem.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

(This is for a thermodynamics course, but we are still in the mathematics introduction.)
 
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You can write dz as

dz=\left(\frac{\partial z}{\partial x}\right)_y dx + \left(\frac{\partial z}{\partial y}\right)_x dy

Now differentiate both sides with respect to y at constant u, and continue trying out Euler's chain rule in various places, and you should have it.
 
Woot I got it.

Thanks a lot.
 
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Cool. That trick is useful if you want to compare relationships at different constant conditions. For example, which is larger, heat capacity at constant pressure or constant volume? Expand entropy the same way:

<br /> dS=\left(\frac{\partial S}{\partial T}\right)_V dT + \left(\frac{\partial S}{\partial V}\right)_T dV<br />

<br /> \left(\frac{\partial S}{\partial T}\right)_p=\left(\frac{\partial S}{\partial T}\right)_V + \left(\frac{\partial S}{\partial V}\right)_T \left(\frac{\partial V}{\partial T}\right)_p<br />

<br /> T \left(\frac{\partial S}{\partial T}\right)_p-T\left(\frac{\partial S}{\partial T}\right)_V =C_p-C_V=T \left(\frac{\partial S}{\partial V}\right)_T \left(\frac{\partial V}{\partial T}\right)_p=T \left(\frac{\partial P}{\partial T}\right)_V \left(\frac{\partial V}{\partial T}\right)_p=-T\left(\frac{\partial T}{\partial V}\right)_p^{-1}\left(\frac{\partial V}{\partial p}\right)_T^{-1}\left(\frac{\partial V}{\partial T}\right)_p=\frac{\alpha^2 V T}{\beta}<br />

Since all these terms are positive (thermal expansion can be negative, but it's squared), constant pressure specific heat is always higher.
 
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