What is the role of free electrons in electric induction?

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The discussion centers around the role of free electrons in electric induction, particularly in the context of conductors in electrostatic equilibrium. Participants explore the behavior of electrons within a conductor, the implications of charge distribution, and the mathematical principles governing these phenomena.

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  • One participant describes the movement of free electrons in a conductor towards the surface until equilibrium is reached, questioning the implications of charge density being zero within the volume of the conductor.
  • Another participant references Gauss's law to explain that the charge density is zero in the material of the conductor, while acknowledging the presence of surface charge density.
  • A different participant challenges the reasoning behind the surface charge density being a result of jump conditions in the electric field, expressing confusion about why electrons are distributed on the surface rather than throughout the conductor.
  • There is a request for a mathematical description of electron density within the conductor, indicating a desire for a deeper understanding of the distribution of charges.

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Participants express differing views on the reasons for the distribution of electrons on the surface of a conductor, with no consensus reached on the underlying principles or explanations.

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Participants highlight the need for clarification on the implications of mathematical jump conditions and the behavior of charge density in relation to electrostatic equilibrium, indicating potential gaps in understanding.

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Hi,

I have been told that you take say a metal board and another board (both endless and paralell)
leads to the following effect:

The electrons are more or less freel in motion, they move to the surface until we reach an equilibrium. The electrons are assembled at the surface. Nice.

Next lesson: Internally there is no electrical field. It holds:

div(rho)=0 because rho is 0.

Okay, rho is zero when the electrons are missing at the other side of the board...
This counts only for the volume but not the surface!?

Do I get something trivial wrong or is there a deeper reason?

Thanks!
 
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Given an arbitrary conductor in electrostatic equilibrium, ##\rho = 0## in the material of the conductor because ##\vec{E} = 0## in the material of the conductor and from Gauss's law we then have ##\vec{\nabla}\cdot \vec{E} = 0 = 4\pi \rho##. But of course there is charge density on the surface of the conductor as you yourself noted; the surface charge density ##\sigma## is given by the jump condition in the electric field when passing from the interior of the conductor to the exterior: ##\hat{n}\cdot (\vec{E}_2 - \vec{E}_1) = 4\pi \sigma## or equivalently ##\hat{n}\cdot (\vec{\nabla}\varphi_2 - \vec{\nabla}\varphi_1) = -4\pi \sigma## where ##\vec{E}_2## is the exterior electric field, ##\vec{E}_1## is the interior electric field, and ##\hat{n}## is the unit normal to the surface of the conductor. This is assuming there are no dielectric materials present (the modification to the jump condition in the presence of dielectrics is very straightforward anyways). This is all in Gaussian units by the way.
 
Thanks, but this is exactly what I read in every book. You say "surface charge density is given by the jump condition in the electric field when passing from the interior of the conductor to the exterior" but why?
Take the not influenced object as electrically neutral. div(rho)=0 naturally holds. Apply a potential, you learn
that the jump conditions hold. Jumps are something where you mathematically should be alarmed.
But okay, it's fine if you accept that the distribution of the electrons is suddenly on the surface.

My question is: Why?
What about the other side?

There is another reason which is not explained in detail. Could you give me a curve describing the electron density in this conductur?
 
Why what? Why all the charges are on the surface of the conductor after reaching electrostatic equilibrium?
 

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