What is the Simplification of the Last Term in Differentiation?

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The discussion revolves around the differentiation of the expression d(Z+X*Y^2)=0, specifically focusing on the application of the product rule and the simplification of terms involving partial derivatives. Participants explore the steps involved in differentiating the expression and clarify how to handle the last term in the differentiation process.

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  • Some participants outline the differentiation process, applying the product rule to the term X*Y^2 and questioning how to simplify the resulting term X*dY^2.
  • There is confusion regarding whether the simplification of X*dY^2 results in 2Y*X*dY or 2*X*dY.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of total differentials and partial derivatives, suggesting that the total differential df involves treating other variables as constants when differentiating.
  • Participants discuss the simplification of the term involving the partial derivative of X*Y^2 with respect to Y, leading to further questions about the correct form of the simplification.
  • One participant asserts that the simplification x*2*y*partial(y)/partial_y*dy leads to 2xy dy, noting that the partial of y with respect to y is 1.
  • There is a mention of using LaTeX for formatting mathematical expressions, indicating a shared interest in clear communication of mathematical ideas.

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Participants express uncertainty and confusion regarding the simplification of terms, indicating that multiple interpretations exist without a clear consensus on the correct approach.

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The discussion involves assumptions about the treatment of variables as constants during differentiation, which may not be universally agreed upon. The application of the product rule and the handling of partial derivatives are also points of contention.

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Hey guys. I have a question regarding the differential operator d.

Say we have an equation d(Z+X*Y^2)=0
If we want to differentiate the expression in the parenthesis, are these the steps to follow?
d(Z+X*Y^2)=0
dZ+d(X*Y^2)=0

Apply product rule to the second term:
dZ+Y^2*dX+X*dY^2=0

Here is where I get confused. To simply the 3rd term (X*dY^2), is the simplification this:
2Y*X*dY or 2*X*dY?
 
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pyroknife said:
Hey guys. I have a question regarding the differential operator d.

Say we have an equation d(Z+X*Y^2)=0
If we want to differentiate the expression in the parenthesis, are these the steps to follow?
d(Z+X*Y^2)=0
dZ+d(X*Y^2)=0
Sort of. Assuming that f is a function of x, y, and z, then the total differential df involves the three partials.
In other words, $$ df = \frac{\partial f}{\partial x} dx + \frac{\partial f}{\partial y} dy + \frac{\partial f}{\partial z} dz$$
pyroknife said:
Apply product rule to the second term:
dZ+Y^2*dX+X*dY^2=0

Here is where I get confused. To simply the 3rd term (X*dY^2), is the simplification this:
2Y*X*dY or 2*X*dY?
You should get this:
$$\frac{\partial (xy^2)}{\partial x} dx + \frac{\partial (xy^2)}{\partial y} dy $$
For each partial, treat the other variable as if it were a constant. Is that clear?
 
Got it. Thank you.

I don't know how to write out in the format you did, but for that last term partial(x*y^2)/partialy*dy,
I was a little confused on how that simplifies.
We hold x constant for that term, so this gives:
x*partial(y^2)/partial_y*dy
Does this give
x*2*y*partial(y)/partial_y*dy
or
x*2*partial(y)/partial_y*dy?
 
pyroknife said:
Got it. Thank you.

I don't know how to write out in the format you did, but for that last term partial(x*y^2)/partialy*dy,
I was a little confused on how that simplifies.
We hold x constant for that term, so this gives:
x*partial(y^2)/partial_y*dy
Does this give
x*2*y*partial(y)/partial_y*dy
or
x*2*partial(y)/partial_y*dy?
This -- x*2*y*partial(y)/partial_y*dy -- which simplifies to 2xy dy. The partial of y with respect to y is just 1.

I wrote my previous reply using LaTeX, which isn't too difficult. It looks like this:
\frac{\partial f}{\partial x}
Put a pair of $ symbols at front and back, and it renders like this:
$$\frac{\partial f}{\partial x}$$
 

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