What is the Strategy for Evaluating Minimum and Maximum Values in Calculus?

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The discussion focuses on evaluating minimum and maximum values in calculus, particularly regarding a function h and its critical points. Participants clarify the importance of identifying local and absolute extrema by analyzing the function's derivative and endpoints. Key points include calculating values at specific intervals and understanding the behavior of the function over those intervals. The absolute minimum and maximum are determined to be -1 and 7, respectively, based on evaluations at critical points and endpoints. The conversation emphasizes the need for careful integration and consideration of the function's periodicity in the analysis.
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The problem is in the attached file. The part I need a little help with is part b.

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and attempt at a solution[/B]

For part a, I got h(8) = 2, h'(6) = -2, and h''(4) = -2.
For part c, I found that the integral from 0 to 5 is 7, so I multiplied 7 by 7 to get 49 (because 35 = 5*7). And f(5) = 0, so f(108) also equals 0. I got the tangent line y - 49 = 0(x - 35).

For part b, I think we're supposed to consider x = 0 and x = 3, since this is where the graph starts increasing from decreasing and vice versa. But I also think we have to evaluate the integral at these points. Can someone explain this?
 

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a1234 said:
found that the integral from 0 to 5 is 7
The period is not 5, so why is that interesting?
 
If I consider
a1234 said:
I think we're supposed to consider x = 0 and x = 3
as an attempt, I agree with 0 and 3 but I don't see it decrease before 0... I also see another interval where f is not bigger than at 0 ...

If you want help for part (a) -- and I think you need it -- , please post your working in detail.

[edit] strike because the question is about ##h## and I mistakenly read ##f## --- bedtime :sleep:
 
BvU said:
If you want help for part (a) -- and I think you need it
Did you make a similar mistake here? I agree with all the answers for a).
 
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haruspex said:
The period is not 5, so why is that interesting?

I thought the graph would keep repeating every 5 units, but that's not true.
It seems to repeat every 8 units, so could we do this?

integral from 0 to 8 = 1
8*4 = 32
1*4 = 4
integral from 0 to 3 = 3
4 + 3 = 7
y - 7 = 0(x - 35)?
 
a1234 said:
It seems to repeat every 8 units
You are told it does.
a1234 said:
integral from 0 to 8 = 1
Didn"t you calculate it as 2 in part a?
a1234 said:
y - 7 = 0(x - 35)?
I do not understand that step. What is the gradient of h at x=35?
 
I didn't count the triangle from 0 to 1 when I first calculated the integral from 0 to 8. I think it should be 1 because the area of the trapezoid is -6, area of the large triangle is 8, and area of the small triangle is -1. So 8 + (-6) + (-1) = 1.

For the derivative at x = 35...
h(35) = integral from 0 to 35 = 7
h'(35) = f(35) = 4 because the graph repeats every 8 units...f(3) = 4 for the remaining 3 units after 8*4 = 32. So the derivative at x = 35 is 4.
If I put it into point-slope form, y - 7 = 4(x - 35) is the tangent line.
 
a1234 said:
the area of the trapezoid is -6
The trapezoid extends to x=9.
 
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Ugh. I'm making a lot of mistakes here.

You're right, we only need the area of the trapezoid up to x = 8. So then the area of the trapezoid is 5, and h(8) = 2. The integral from 0 to 35 is 2*4 + 3 = 11.
y - 11 = 4(x - 35)
 
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a1234 said:
Ugh. I'm making a lot of mistakes here.

You're right, we only need the area of the trapezoid up to x = 8. So then the area of the trapezoid is 5, and h(8) = 2. The integral from 0 to 35 is 2*4 + 3 = 11.
y - 11 = 4(x - 35)
Looks right.
 
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How do I go about part b?
 
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a1234 said:
How do I go about part b?
Do you understand about local extrema and absolute extrema?
How do you find a local extremum?
 
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The absolute maximum is the highest point over the entire graph. The absolute minimum is the lowest point over the graph. The relative max/min is the maximum or minimum over a certain interval.

I think the first step is to find do h'(x), which is just f(x) and find the critical points and endpoints of the graph. The critical points are 1 and 5, and the endpoints are 0 and 7. And then we need to evaluate g at those values. I came up with the following:
h(0) = 0
h(1) = -1
h(5) = 7
h(7) = 4
The absolute min is -1 and max is 7. The relative min is 0 and max is 4.
 
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a1234 said:
The absolute min is -1 and max is 7. The relative min is 0 and max is 4.
You are asked for the absolute min and max over the whole interval, so yes, -1 and 7.
 
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Okay. Thank you very much for the help!
 

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