What is the suitable capacitor value for a three level flying capacitor?

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The discussion revolves around determining the suitable capacitor value for a three-level flying capacitor inverter in a three-phase system, with specific parameters including a DC input voltage of 500V, a load resistance of 1K ohm, an inductance of 0.1H, and a switching frequency of 10KHz. Participants seek to understand the calculations involved in selecting the appropriate capacitor value.

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  • One participant requests guidance on calculating the capacitor value for a three-level flying capacitor inverter, providing specific electrical parameters.
  • Another participant asks for clarification on whether the system is a tripler and emphasizes the importance of output ripple requirements, switching frequency, and load currents in determining capacitor size.
  • A third participant shares simulation results from a different inverter type (NPC inverter), including detailed loss data and output characteristics, and questions the feasibility of achieving similar waveforms with a flying capacitor inverter.
  • A subsequent reply clarifies that the flying capacitor is intended for DC to AC conversion rather than stepping up voltage.
  • One participant admits to having no knowledge about flying capacitors, indicating a range of expertise among contributors.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the suitable capacitor value or the specific requirements for the flying capacitor inverter. Multiple viewpoints and questions remain unresolved.

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Participants mention various parameters and requirements that could influence the capacitor selection, but the discussion does not clarify the assumptions or dependencies involved in the calculations.

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Individuals interested in power electronics, inverter design, and capacitor selection for three-phase systems may find this discussion relevant.

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Hi All,

I would like to know what is the suitable capacitor value to be used in a three level flying capacitor(three-phase) with the input of voltage = 500V and resistance(load)=1K ohm while the inductance(load)=0.1H and also the switching frequency is 10KHz?

Can someone brief me on how to calculate the capacitor value? Sorry for the troubles,many thanks.:redface:
 
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Sorry --- need more info --- Is this a tripler? Is it feeding 1K in series with 0.1H? What output ripple do you want to maintain.

The output ripple requirements, switching frequency, and load currents generally drive the capacitor size based on the basic relationship between capacitance, current, and voltage.

There are numerous tutorials on the considerations, starting with doublers. For example http://www.analog.com/static/imported-files/tutorials/ptmsect4.pdf

But, maybe you are asking about something else entirely.
 
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hereby i attached the waveform picture of npc inverter. here is the parameters that use for npc inveter.
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DC Bus Voltage : 500 Vdc
AC Output : 250 V (line-line, rms), 60 Hz, 0.8 power factor (lagging)
Switching Frequency : 8 kHz
Capacitance : 2200 µF
Resistance : 1 Ω
Squirrel-cage Ind. M. : default
Mechanical Load : default
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and here is the result that i get from simulation for npc inverter.
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The following losses results are obtained from the PSIM simulation:
Diode Conduction Losses : 0236.54 W
Diode Switching Losses : 000.060 W
Diode Total Losses : 0236.60 W
Transistor Conduction Losses : 1868.69 W
Transistor Switching Losses : 0067.90 W
Transistor Total Losses : 1936.60 W
Total Losses per Module : 2173.20 W
Line to neutral voltage : 256 V
Line to line voltage : 499 V
Output current line A : 56.63 A
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is it possible for me to get the exact waveform like 3 level npc 3 phase inverter, but using 3 level flying capacitor 3 phase inverter method? what would be the value for the capacitor and others? i also attached the schematic for 3 level flying capacitor 3 phase inverter. what should i put the value for all component?
 

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oh btw mr. meBigGuy, flying capacitor is for convert dc to ac, not stepping up voltage. :)
 
I know nothing about them. Sorry
 
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nah, it's okay bro. thank u for ur time! :)
 

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