What is the total force on a semicircular wire in a uniform magnetic field?

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The problem involves a semicircular wire carrying a current in a uniform magnetic field, with the objective of determining the total force on the wire. The wire is positioned in the upper half of the x-y plane, and the magnetic field is directed along the positive z-axis.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the appropriate method for calculating the force on a curved wire in a magnetic field, questioning the use of the formula for straight wires versus the need for a cross product approach. There are inquiries about the angle involved in the cross product and suggestions to set up an integral for the force along the semicircular path.

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The discussion is active, with participants engaging in clarifying questions and exploring different approaches to the problem. Some have expressed understanding after considering the questions raised, indicating a productive exchange of ideas.

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Participants are working within the constraints of a homework assignment, focusing on symbolic answers and the reasoning behind the calculations rather than numerical solutions. There is an emphasis on understanding the setup and implications of the magnetic force on a curved wire.

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Homework Statement



A very thin wire, which follows a semicircular curve C of radius R, lies in the upper half of the x-y plane with its center at the origin. There is a constant current I flowing counter clockwise, starting upward from the end of the wire on the positive x-axis and ending downward at the end on the negative x axis. The wire is in a uniform magnetic field, which has magnitude Bo and direction parallel to the z axis in the positive z direction. Determine a symbolic answer in unit vector notation for the total force on the wire due to the magnetic field. Ignore the forces on the leads that carry the current into the wire at the right end and out of the wire at the left end.

Solution check: The numerical value with I = 2.00A, Bo = 3.00T, and R = 4.00m is 48.0j N.

Homework Equations



dFb= i dLxB

The Attempt at a Solution



Because it's curved, I don't think you can use Fb = iLBsin. Instead, the cross product version above has to be used. I read some lecture notes here: http://www.wfu.edu/~matthews/courses/phy114/ppt/Ch29-Magnetic_Fields.ppt
And it says that you can just take the length from one endpoint to the other, and use that as your dL. Using that works, because (2)(3)(2x4) = 48, but I don't understand why. Can anybody help clarify? Thanks!
 
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bakin said:
Because it's curved, I don't think you can use Fb = iLBsin. Instead, the cross product version above has to be used.
The magnitude of the cross product i dL X B = i dL B sinθ. (What's θ?)
I read some lecture notes here: http://www.wfu.edu/~matthews/courses/phy114/ppt/Ch29-Magnetic_Fields.ppt
And it says that you can just take the length from one endpoint to the other, and use that as your dL.
Where does it say that? Set up the integral of dF over the length of the semicircle. (It's an easy integral.) Which way does dF point at each position along the arc?
 
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Doc Al said:
The magnitude of the cross product i dL X B = i dL B sinθ. (What's θ?)

Where does it say that? Set up the integral of dF over the length of the semicircle. (It's an easy integral.) Which way does dF point at each position along the arc?

Soooo helpful. I was able to figure it out after thinking about your questions a little bit. Thanks for helping me understand!
 
Excellent. (Glad it helped.)
 

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