What is the true nature of neutrinos and their role in the universe?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the nature of neutrinos and their potential role in the universe, including speculative ideas about their movement, origins, and implications for concepts like causality and the Big Bang. Participants explore theoretical and conceptual aspects of neutrinos, touching on their properties and interactions with mass and energy.

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  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that neutrinos may move faster than light and could flow backward through time, proposing that they might be catalysts for radioactive decay rather than products of it.
  • Another participant refutes the claim of neutrinos moving faster than light, stating that such an assertion was based on a flawed experiment and emphasizes that personal speculation is not permitted in the forum.
  • A third participant clarifies that the discussion seems to confuse neutrinos with tachyons, which are hypothetical particles that would violate causality.
  • Further clarification is provided regarding the OPERA experiment, which initially reported faster-than-light neutrinos but was later found to be erroneous due to technical issues.
  • One participant humorously reflects on their own understanding of the topic, indicating a self-awareness of their status as a layman in the discussion.
  • Another participant asserts that the initial premise regarding neutrinos moving faster than light is incorrect, rendering subsequent speculations invalid.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the nature of neutrinos, particularly about their speed and implications for causality. There is no consensus on the speculative claims made about neutrinos being catalysts for the universe or their role in radioactive decay.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of verifying foundational claims before building further arguments, indicating that the discussion is contingent on the accuracy of initial premises regarding neutrinos.

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As a neutrino is capable of movement at a rate greater than that of light, and as such flows backwards through time relative to our own perspective, then why do we attempt to understand it through causality, rather than effect and cause as opposed to cause and effect? Why should we expect that a particle which transverses time in the reverse would be born of the decay of radioactive elements as opposed to possibly being the catalyst for the decay of those elements? Perhaps our sun isn't a producer of neutrinos but is instead a magnet for them, where neutrinos are attracted to massive objects and heavy elements, thus stars and singularities tend to absorb neutrinos, but our observation of this interaction is in reverse, leading us to conclude that the opposite is true.

Might it even be that neutrinos originate from the time of Big Freeze, progressing backward through time, lacking in both mass and energy as is consistent with estimations of the state of the universe at the time of Big Freeze, traveling backward toward that which it's attracted to, which is mass, where the most massive object to ever exist would in fact be the point of Big Bang, the singularity which once contained all that there is and ever will be?

Could it in fact be that neutrinos are more than the cause of radioactive decay, but in fact the catalyst for the universe itself, the very inspiration for Big Bang? If they have zero energy, no definite mass and originate from the future, wouldn't a neutrino be the perfect tool for the creation of something from nothing?
 
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Jay Buckner said:
As a neutrino is capable of movement at a rate greater than that of light

No, it is not. The experiment that claimed this was flawed and the error was found several years ago.

Edit: Also note that personal speculation is not allowed at Physics Forums according to forum rules.
 
You're talking about a tachyon, a hypothetical particle (as of yet), not a neutrino (which does not violate causality).
 
PWiz said:
You're talking about a tachyon, a hypothetical particle (as of yet), not a neutrino (which does not violate causality).

In September 2011, the OPERA experiment reported experimental measurements of neutrinos traveling faster than light (and thus being tachyons). This turned out to be experimental error (loose wiring essentially), but people dig up this result every now and then and the layman will generally not be familiar with the refutal.

It gave rise to jokes such as:
The barman says "We don't serve tachyons here." A neutrino walks into a bar.
 
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Orodruin said:
the layman will generally not be familiar with the refutal.
That's funny, I always considered myself a layman o0) (layboy maybe?)
 
Jay Buckner said:
As a neutrino is capable of movement at a rate greater than that of light

Your starting premise is faulty, and thus, all subsequent consequences that you imagined coming out from this are rendered moot.

It is imperative that, if you are going to put all your eggs in one basket, that you check first and foremost, that the basket is secured and well-made. Otherwise, you might end up with eggs on your face. In this case, you should have thoroughly checked if "... a neutrino is capable of movement at a rage greater than that of light..." first, before making further speculations based on that.

Zz.
 

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