What is the type of DE and solving method for y'' + (x^m)y = 0?

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The discussion revolves around the differential equation y'' + (x^m)y = 0, which is identified as a second-order homogeneous equation with variable coefficients. Participants explore the implications of the parameter m, particularly regarding its integer status and its effect on the nature of the singular points of the equation.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss potential methods for solving the equation, including Frobenius series, power series, and Bessel functions. Questions arise about the conditions under which these methods are applicable, particularly concerning the nature of m and the presence of singular points.

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The conversation is ongoing, with various interpretations of the problem being explored. Some participants suggest using the Frobenius method while others consider the possibility of reducing the equation to a Bessel form. There is no explicit consensus on the best approach, but hints and suggestions have been shared to guide further exploration.

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Participants note that the problem is a hypothetical scenario posed by a professor, leading to uncertainty about the parameters involved, particularly whether m is an integer or not. This ambiguity influences the discussion about the appropriate methods for solving the differential equation.

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Homework Statement



I have the following DE:

[tex]y'' + x^my = 0[/tex]

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Maybe Frobenius or Power series or Bessel.

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I am having a hard time nailing down the type of DE this is. Clearly it is 2nd order homogeneous with variable coefficients. If m is a * positive* (which I will assume) integer, then it has no singular points. So that would mean I can cross Frobenius off the list right?

I think that is my biggest question here: We only use Frobenius when there are (regular) singular points right? Else, we can just use Power series?

EDIT: Power series leads me to:

[tex]\sum_0^\infty (n-1)na_nx^{n-2} +\sum_0^\infty a_nx^{n+m} = 0[/tex]

Seems like this might be difficult to get the exponents to match.
 
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Is m an integer?
 
Dickfore said:
Is m an integer?

Does not specify unfortunately. It's a made-up problem from professor.
 
So, if [itex]m[/itex] is not a non-negative integer, then the point [itex]x = 0[/itex] is a pole. For example, what if [itex]m = -1[/itex]? Furthermore, even if [itex]m > 0[/itex], but non-integer, for example, [itex]m = 1/2[/itex], the point [itex]x = 0[/itex], although not a pole, is still a branch point in the complex plane, and, therefore, singular.

I would say, go with the Frobenius method. The equation is:

[tex] \sum_{n = 0}^{\infty}{(n + \sigma)(n + \sigma - 1) \, c_{n} \, x^{n + \sigma - 2}} + \sum_{n = 0}^{\infty}{c_{n} \, x^{n + \sigma + m}} = 0[/tex]

You can always write:

[tex] m = [m] + \{m\}, \; 0 \le \{m\} < 1[/tex]

Therefore, you will get:

[tex] \sum_{n = -2}^{\infty}{(n + \sigma + 2)(n + \sigma + 1) c_{n + 2} \, x^{n + \sigma}} + \sum_{n = [m]}^{\infty}{c_{n - [m]} \, x^{n + \sigma + \{m\}}} = 0[/tex]
 
Just talked to the TA. Evidently the intended solution is Bessel. I am going to work through it now with the hint he gave me. i.e. reducible to Bessel equation.
 
I have no idea how to do this :redface:

I have that if an equation is of the form

[tex]\frac{d}{dx}\left(x^a\frac{dy}{dx}\right) + bx^cy = 0\qquad(2)[/tex]

then I can use some formula in my book. So clearly I need to find a,b, and c. Expanding (2) we have:

[tex]x^ay'' + ax^{a-1}y' + bx^c = 0 = x^2y'' + x^{m+2}y \qquad(3)[/tex]

where the right hand side of (3) was obatined by multiplying the original EQ ny x2. Usually, to solve for undetermined coefficients, we compare 'like powers of x' but here those powers are the unknowns. Should I instead compare "like derivatives of y" ?

i.e.,

[tex]x^a = x^2[/tex]

[tex]ax^{a-1} = 0[/tex]

[tex]bx^{c} = x^{m+2}[/tex]

I don't think this works ...
 
First, you should do a substitution of the argument:

[tex] x = a \, t^{\alpha}[/tex]

What does the equation transform to?
 
Dickfore said:
First, you should do a substitution of the argument:

[tex] x = a \, t^{\alpha}[/tex]

What does the equation transform to?

I'm sorry Dickfore. What am I substituting now? Am I putting [itex] x = a \, t^{\alpha}[/itex] inside the differential operator? And also, why did you choose that particular substitution?EDIT: Ok. Here is how I can solve this. I know it is not rigorous at all, but on the not-so-off chance one shows up on my exam tonight, I would like to just be able to solve it. If a DE takes the form

[tex] \frac{d}{dx}\left(x^a\frac{dy}{dx}\right) + bx^cy = 0\qquad(2)[/tex]

we can calculate a,b,c and use in a formula. Looking at the original equation

[tex] y' + x^my = 0[/tex]

and comparing it to (2) we note that [itex]x^my = bx^cy \Rightarrow c = m \text{ and } b = 1[/itex] and comparing what is left we have:

[tex]y' = \frac{d}{dx}\left(x^a\frac{dy}{dx}\right) = x^ay'' + ax^{a-1}y' \Rightarrow a = 0[/tex]

where I used y'' = xa to find "a" since my y' term does not exist.

Thoughts?
 
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You should simply use the chain rule:

[tex] \frac{d y}{d x} = \frac{d t}{d x} \, \frac{d y}{d t}[/tex]

but you need to express everything on the rhs as a function of t. So, you have to use:

[tex] \frac{d t}{d x} = \frac{1}{d x/d t} = \frac{1}{a \, \alpha \, t^{\alpha - 1}}[/tex]

So, the first derivative becomes:

[tex] \frac{d y}{d t} = \frac{\dot{y}}{a \, \alpha \, t^{\alpha - 1}}[/tex]

where [itex]\dot{y} = d y/d t[/itex].

What should you get for the second derivative with respect to x?
 
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Saladsamurai said:
I'm sorry Dickfore. What am I substituting now? Am I putting [itex] x = a \, t^{\alpha}[/itex] inside the differential operator? And also, why did you choose that particular substitution?


EDIT: Ok. Here is how I can solve this. I know it is not rigorous at all, but on the not-so-off chance one shows up on my exam tonight, I would like to just be able to solve it. If a DE takes the form

[tex] \frac{d}{dx}\left(x^a\frac{dy}{dx}\right) + bx^cy = 0\qquad(2)[/tex]

we can calculate a,b,c and use in a formula. Looking at the original equation

[tex] y' + x^my = 0[/tex]

and comparing it to (2) we note that [itex]x^my = bx^cy \Rightarrow c = m \text{ and } b = 1[/itex] and comparing what is left we have:

[tex]y' = \frac{d}{dx}\left(x^a\frac{dy}{dx}\right) = x^ay'' + ax^{a-1}y' \Rightarrow a = 0[/tex]

where I used y'' = xa to find "a" since my y' term does not exist.

Thoughts?

If you have a formula for 2) how about using a=0, b=1, c=m?
 

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