Solving the O.D.E using Frobenius Method about x=1

In summary, the conversation discusses finding an analytic solution to an O.D.E with a regular singularity at x=1 using the Frobenius method and series solutions. The conversation also touches on making a substitution to simplify the equation and finding the indicial equation to determine the exponents of singularity. Finally, the conversation explores how to combine the different summations to solve for the indicial equation.
  • #1
T-chef
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Homework Statement


The task is to find an analytic solution to the O.D.E
[tex] 4(1-x^2)y''-y=0 \hspace{20mm} y'(1)=1[/tex]
by using an appropriate series solution about x=1.


The Attempt at a Solution


The singularity at x=1 is regular, which makes me think the Frobenius method is what's meant by appropriate series solution. But I've always done these about x=0, so I suppose the form would be
[tex] y=\sum_{n=0}^{\infty} a_n (x-1)^{n+r} [/tex]

with

[tex] y''=\sum_{n=0}^{\infty} a_n(n+r)(n+r-1)(x-1)^{n+r-2} [/tex]

At this point I'd substitute into the O.D.E and find an indicial equation, but I'm not really sure how this works when we're expanding about x=1, or indeed if this is the right track. Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated!
 
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  • #2
T-chef said:

Homework Statement


The task is to find an analytic solution to the O.D.E
[tex] 4(1-x^2)y''-y=0 \hspace{20mm} y'(1)=1[/tex]
by using an appropriate series solution about x=1.

The Attempt at a Solution


The singularity at x=1 is regular, which makes me think the Frobenius method is what's meant by appropriate series solution. But I've always done these about x=0, so I suppose the form would be
[tex] y=\sum_{n=0}^{\infty} a_n (x-1)^{n+r} [/tex]

with

[tex] y''=\sum_{n=0}^{\infty} a_n(n+r)(n+r-1)(x-1)^{n+r-2} [/tex]

At this point I'd substitute into the O.D.E and find an indicial equation, but I'm not really sure how this works when we're expanding about x=1, or indeed if this is the right track. Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated!

That all looks good to me in terms of the concept, but there's a slightly easier way to do this. Whenever you have a regular point ##x_0 ≠ 0##, substitute this :

$$t = x - x_0$$

This will make your life so much easier when dealing with this.
 
  • #3
Hey Zondrina! Cool, so making the substituion [itex] t=x-1 [/itex] the D.E then becomes
[tex] -4(t^2+2t)y''(t)-y(t)=0 [/tex]
and the assumed solution is
[tex] y=\sum_{n=0}^{\infty} a_n t^{n+r} [/tex]
so we end up with
[tex] 4\sum_{n=0}^\infty a_n (n+r)(n+r-1)t^{n+r}+8\sum_{n=0}^\infty a_n (n+r)(n+r-1)t^{n+r-1}+\sum_{n=0}^\infty a_n t^{n+r}=0 [/tex]
Or perhaps more neatly,
[tex] \sum_{n=0}^\infty [4a_n (n+r)(n+r-1)+a_n]t^{n+r}+8\sum_{n=0}^\infty a_n (n+r)(n+r-1)t^{n+r-1} =0[/tex]

Now, if I'm not mistaken (I might be :) ), this second sum will give me my indicial equation so I can find r?
 
  • #4
T-chef said:
Hey Zondrina! Cool, so making the substituion [itex] t=x-1 [/itex] the D.E then becomes
[tex] -4(t^2+2t)y''(t)-y(t)=0 [/tex]
and the assumed solution is
[tex] y=\sum_{n=0}^{\infty} a_n t^{n+r} [/tex]
so we end up with
[tex] 4\sum_{n=0}^\infty a_n (n+r)(n+r-1)t^{n+r}+8\sum_{n=0}^\infty a_n (n+r)(n+r-1)t^{n+r-1}+\sum_{n=0}^\infty a_n t^{n+r}=0 [/tex]
Or perhaps more neatly,
[tex] \sum_{n=0}^\infty [4a_n (n+r)(n+r-1)+a_n]t^{n+r}+8\sum_{n=0}^\infty a_n (n+r)(n+r-1)t^{n+r-1} =0[/tex]

Now, if I'm not mistaken (I might be :) ), this second sum will give me my indicial equation so I can find r?

You need to satisfy this equation for all ##t##:

$$\sum_{n=0}^\infty [4a_n (n+r)(n+r-1)+a_n]t^{n+r}+8\sum_{n=0}^\infty a_n (n+r)(n+r-1)t^{n+r-1} =0$$

That is, the coefficient of each power of ##t## must be zero. This will yield your indicial equation and then your exponents of singularity.
 
  • #5
Alright, well, messing with that last sum:
[tex] \sum_{n=0}^{\infty}(4a_n(n+r)(n+r-1)+a_n)t^{n+r}+8\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}a_n(n+r)(n+r-1)t^{n+r-1}+8a_0(r)(r-1)t^{r-1}=0 [/tex]
So the lowest power is this [itex]t^{r-1}[/itex] fella, in which case [itex] r(r-1)=0 [/itex]. But from the wording of later parts in this question it seems there's only one solution to be found here. Would I be right in assuming this is from r=1, since r=0 would give a [itex] t^{-1} [/itex] term in the above equation, which is not the form of a power series?
 
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  • #6
You need to be a bit more careful about the indices of your summations. They really do matter.

##-4(t^2+2t)y'' - y = 0##
##-4t^2y''- 8ty'' - y = 0##

##y = \sum_{n=0}^{\infty} a_n t^{n+r}##
##y' = \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} (n+r)a_n t^{n+r-1}##
##y'' = \sum_{n=2}^{\infty} (n+r)(n+r-1)a_n t^{n+r-2}##

Therefore the DE becomes:

##-4t^2 \sum_{n=2}^{\infty} (n+r)(n+r-1)a_n t^{n+r-2} - 8t\sum_{n=2}^{\infty} (n+r)(n+r-1)a_n t^{n+r-2} - \sum_{n=0}^{\infty} a_n t^{n+r} = 0##

##- 4 \sum_{n=2}^{\infty} (n+r)(n+r-1)a_n t^{n+r} - 8 \sum_{n=2}^{\infty} (n+r)(n+r-1)a_n t^{n+r-1} - \sum_{n=0}^{\infty} a_n t^{n+r} = 0##

##- 4 \sum_{n=2}^{\infty} (n+r)(n+r-1)a_n t^{n+r} - 8 \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} (n+r+1)(n+r)a_n t^{n+r} - \sum_{n=0}^{\infty} a_n t^{n+r} = 0##

Okay, this should be nothing too far from what you've already done, but there's still a problem to be tackled. Notice that all the powers of ##t## are the same, which is what we want. The indices of the three summations are completely different though, which needs to be rectified to be able to find the indicial equation.

Notice you can re-write the second sum as:

##8 [\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} (n+r+1)(n+r)a_n t^{n+r}] = 8[(r+2)(r+1)a_1t^{r+1} + \sum_{n=2}^{\infty} (n+r+1)(n+r)a_n t^{n+r} ]##

Do the same for the third sum. What does your equation look like now? Can you combine the sums effectively now?
 
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[tex]\sum_{n=0}^{\infty} a_n t^{n+r} = \sum_{n=2}^{\infty} a_n t^{n+r}+a_0t^r+a_1t^{r+1}[/tex]
Putting this, and your expansion into the D.E we can group all the sums, since they start at n=2,
[tex] \sum_{n=2}^{\infty} [4(n+r)(n+r-1)+8(n+r)(n+r+1)+1]a_nt^{n+r}+8(r+2)(r+1)a_1t^{r+1}+a_0t^r+a_1t^{r+1}=0 [/tex]
[tex] \sum_{n=2}^{\infty} [4(n+r)(n+r-1)+8(n+r)(n+r+1)+1]a_nt^{n+r}+[8(r+2)(r+1)+1]a_1t^{r+1}+a_0t^r=0 [/tex]
How's this look :) ? This suggests a_0=0, and then equating the coefficient of [itex] t^{1+r} [/itex] to zero gives non-integer r, is that okay?
 
  • #8
T-chef said:
[tex]\sum_{n=0}^{\infty} a_n t^{n+r} = \sum_{n=2}^{\infty} a_n t^{n+r}+a_0t^r+a_1t^{r+1}[/tex]
Putting this, and your expansion into the D.E we can group all the sums, since they start at n=2,
[tex] \sum_{n=2}^{\infty} [4(n+r)(n+r-1)+8(n+r)(n+r+1)+1]a_nt^{n+r}+8(r+2)(r+1)a_1t^{r+1}+a_0t^r+a_1t^{r+1}=0 [/tex]
[tex] \sum_{n=2}^{\infty} [4(n+r)(n+r-1)+8(n+r)(n+r+1)+1]a_nt^{n+r}+[8(r+2)(r+1)+1]a_1t^{r+1}+a_0t^r=0 [/tex]
How's this look :) ? This suggests a_0=0, and then equating the coefficient of [itex] t^{1+r} [/itex] to zero gives non-integer r, is that okay?

Lookin good.

Now you have to solve for the roots and satisfy the equation for all t. That means even if ##t≠0##, the equation still has to be zero.

So ##a_0 = 0## is good.

Now ##8(r+2)(r+1) + 1 = 0## yields ##r_1 = \frac{1}{4} (\sqrt{2} - 6)## and ##r_2 = \frac{1}{4} (-\sqrt{2} - 6)##.

These are the exponents of singularity.

Now, solve the equation for the coefficient of ##t^{n+r}## and simplify it. This yields your recurrence relation for ##n≥1##.

Now you have to break this down into cases to find the general ##a_n## term. One for the first root and one for the second root and for each case you have to test values of ##n≥1##.
 
  • #9
Zondrina said:
So ##a_0 = 0## is good.
I haven't read through this thread carefully, but generally, this condition isn't correct. By assumption, ##a_0 \ne 0##, otherwise you'd just replace r by r+1. In other words, r is defined as the value for which ##a_0 \ne 0##.
 
  • #10
vela said:
I haven't read through this thread carefully, but generally, this condition isn't correct. By assumption, ##a_0 \ne 0##, otherwise you'd just replace r by r+1. In other words, r is defined as the value for which ##a_0 \ne 0##.

Yes, the assumption is usually ##a_0 ≠ 0##.

I found it odd that ##a_0t^r## was grouped. The problem is if ##t≠0##, then ##a_0t^r ≠ 0##, which prevents the solving of the equation. It has to be valid for all ##t## I believe.
 
  • #11
T-chef said:
Alright, well, messing with that last sum:
[tex] \sum_{n=0}^{\infty}(4a_n(n+r)(n+r-1)+a_n)t^{n+r}+8\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}a_n(n+r)(n+r-1)t^{n+r-1}+8a_0(r)(r-1)t^{r-1}=0 [/tex]
So the lowest power is this [itex]t^{r-1}[/itex] fella, in which case [itex] r(r-1)=0 [/itex]. But from the wording of later parts in this question it seems there's only one solution to be found here. Would I be right in assuming this is from r=1, since r=0 would give a [itex] t^{-1} [/itex] term in the above equation, which is not the form of a power series?
That's the right indicial equation. The two roots differ by an integer, so the larger value will yield a solution. The smaller value may or may not give you a second independent solution. It depends on how the coefficients work out.

It's okay to have a term like t-1 in your solution, so that's not a reason to discard the root r=0. After all, you're expanding about a singular point. It wouldn't be surprising if the solution diverged around there too.
 
  • #12
Zondrina said:
You need to be a bit more careful about the indices of your summations. They really do matter.

##-4(t^2+2t)y'' - y = 0##
##-4t^2y''- 8ty'' - y = 0##

##y = \sum_{n=0}^{\infty} a_n t^{n+r}##
##y' = \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} (n+r)a_n t^{n+r-1}##
##y'' = \sum_{n=2}^{\infty} (n+r)(n+r-1)a_n t^{n+r-2}##
You're thinking of what happens when you differentiate a Taylor series. With the method of Frobenius, you can't assume the lowest order terms vanish because of ##r##.

For example, suppose r=2, the series would be of the form
$$\sum_{n=0}^\infty a_n x^{r+n} = a_0 r^2 + a_1 r^3 + \cdots.$$ If you differentiate twice, you'd get
$$\sum_{n=0}^\infty a_n (r+n)(r+n-1) x^{r+n-2} = 2 a_0 + 6 a_1 r + \cdots.$$ If you started with n=2, the sum would be missing the constant and linear terms.
 

1. What is the Frobenius Method for solving O.D.E.s?

The Frobenius Method is a mathematical technique used to find a series solution to a second-order ordinary differential equation (O.D.E). It involves assuming a power series solution and using a recursion formula to determine the coefficients of the series.

2. When is the Frobenius Method most useful?

The Frobenius Method is most useful when solving O.D.E.s with singular points, such as at the origin or at infinity. It is also helpful when the coefficients of the equation are not constant, but can be expressed as a power series.

3. How does the Frobenius Method differ from other methods of solving O.D.E.s?

The Frobenius Method differs from other methods, such as the Laplace transform or separation of variables, in that it is specifically designed to handle singular points and non-constant coefficients. It also provides a series solution, rather than a closed-form solution.

4. What are the steps involved in using the Frobenius Method?

The steps for using the Frobenius Method are as follows:

  1. Assume a power series solution of the form y(x) = ∑n=0 anxn, where a0 is nonzero.
  2. Substitute the series into the O.D.E. and collect terms with the same powers of x.
  3. Set the coefficient of xn equal to 0 and solve for an.
  4. Use a recursion formula to find the remaining coefficients.
  5. Determine the radius of convergence of the series solution.
  6. If necessary, use boundary conditions to find the values of the coefficients.

5. What are the limitations of the Frobenius Method?

The Frobenius Method may not always provide a convergent series solution, in which case other methods must be used. It also requires a nonzero coefficient for the lowest power of x, which may not always be the case. Additionally, the computation of the coefficients can become increasingly complex for higher order equations.

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