What is the voltage across the capacitor?

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The discussion revolves around a circuit involving a flashing lamp, a capacitor, and an ideal battery. The lamp has a breakdown voltage of 72V and flashes when the voltage across it reaches this threshold. The problem includes aspects of capacitor charging and discharging, energy calculations, and the relationship between resistance and flashing frequency.

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  • Participants explore how to sketch the voltage across the capacitor over time, questioning the implications of the discharge time and the relationship between resistance and energy released.
  • Some participants discuss the charging curve of the capacitor and the instantaneous discharge when the lamp flashes, while others question how to represent the voltage changes over a specified duration.
  • There are inquiries about the relevance of the resistance value to the energy calculations and whether the energy released can be calculated using different methods.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing insights into the charging behavior of the capacitor and the energy transfer to the lamp. Some guidance has been offered regarding the assumptions to make about the discharge time and the calculations for energy stored in the capacitor.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem statement instructs to neglect the discharge time, which affects how the voltage graph is interpreted. There is also mention of the lack of explicit data regarding the actual discharge time of the capacitor.

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Homework Statement



The figure shows the circuit of a flashing lamp.There is a current through the lamp (see the photo) only when the potential difference across it reaches the breakdown voltage VL; the capacitance DIScharges completely through the lamp.

(a)A lamp has breakdown voltage VL=72V and is wired to a 95V ideal battery and a capacitor of 0.15 μF. The lamp flashes two times per second. Sketch how the voltage across the capacitor changes over 3 seconds. Neglect the period of time that it takes to discharge.
(b) What resistance is needed for two flashes per second?
(c) How much energy is released through the lamp per flash?

Homework Equations



E=0.5CV^2
V=ε(1-e^-(t:RC))

The Attempt at a Solution


I have solved (b), i got 3.25*10^6 ohm. However, I am having difficulty with the sketch. How does it look like, should I use the second formula I mention in 2. Homework Equations ? What should I do with the information ' discharge' ?
Furthermore, as I already figured out the resistance needed for two flashes, is this relevant for how mudh energy is released? Or is it just a basic solution like: E=0.5*0.15*10^-6*72^2 ?
 
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You didn't post the circuit but I can guess what it might look like.

Have a look at the curve for the voltage on a capacitor during the charge...

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/capchg.html

When the voltage reaches 72V the lamp will conduct and this will discharge the capacitor. The problem statement says "Neglect the period of time that it takes to discharge" so you can assume the voltage falls from 72V to 0V in zero time and then starts rising again.
 
(c) How much energy is released through the lamp per flash?

Hint: Where does the energy stored in the capacitor go?
 
O, I am very sorry. I forgot to include the circuit itself. Here it is!

So, I think that the graph starts from
V=72V for t=0 This is the moment when the lamp starts flashing and the capacitor starts discharging, right? and it reaches zero in a couple of seconds? So from left to right it decreases. Is this right?
However, can anybody help me with my problem of not knowing what to do with 3 seconds? How do I know how much of the capacitor has discharged in 3 sec?

For (c), the energy stored in the capacitor leaves the capacitor and goes to light the flashing lamp right? Is this simply E=Pt?

I would get for the energy E=U*I*t=72V*22μA*0.5=80mJ or E=0.5*C*V^2=39mJ (by using V=72V)
 

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V=72V for t=0 This is the moment when the lamp starts flashing and the capacitor starts discharging, right? and it reaches zero in a couple of seconds?

No they say to neglect the discharge time so you should assume the duration of the flash is very short and that it discharges the capacitor instantaneously. The problem statement doesn't provide enough data to work out the real discharge time anyway.

I would start the graph at t=0 and V=0 (eg pretend the voltage source is connected at t=0 and before that point the capacitor is discharged).

So the first part would show a charge cycle from 0V towards 95V. It never gets to 95V because at 72V the lamp flashes and the capacitor discharges instantaneously to 0V and then starts charging again. Repeat.

The problem says the lamp flashes twice a second so the time taken to get to 72V is half a second. There will be exactly 6 charge cycles each taking 0.5 seconds in the 3 seconds they ask you to draw.
 
I would get for the energy E=U*I*t=72V*22μA*0.5=80mJ or E=0.5*C*V^2=39mJ (by using V=72V)

The current isn't a constant 22uA so that method can't be used (at least not easily).

Find an equation for the energy stored in a capacitor given just the capacitance (0.15μF) and the voltage (72V).
 
CWatters said:
The current isn't a constant 22uA so that method can't be used (at least not easily).

Find an equation for the energy stored in a capacitor given just the capacitance (0.15μF) and the voltage (72V).

Well, then I would say.. Wcharging=∫\frac{q}{C}dq=\frac{1}{2} Q^2:C =0.5QV2=0.5CV2 ? I don't see how I can integrate it with the current varying..
 
Sorry I just spotted that you had the right equation in your post here (just check your working I made it 0.38mJ)...

I would get for the energy E=U*I*t=72V*22μA*0.5=80mJ or E=0.5*C*V^2=39mJ (by using V=72V)
 

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