What is the work done by a varying force on an object moving along the Y-axis?

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves calculating the work done by a varying force, specifically F=(4.00yj) N, on an object moving along the Y-axis from Y=-2.0 m to Y=3.0 m. The context is rooted in the principles of work and force in physics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the definition of work and its calculation, with some attempting to apply the formula W=fscos(θ) but expressing confusion about its applicability to a varying force. Questions arise regarding the direction of the force relative to the object's movement and the implications of integrating over the path.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem. Some have suggested starting from the definition of work and integrating, while others express uncertainty about their mathematical skills, particularly regarding calculus concepts. Guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between force and displacement.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted lack of calculus knowledge among some participants, which may affect their ability to engage with the problem as it is framed. The problem is described as a "step-up problem," indicating it is intended to prepare students for more advanced physics concepts.

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Homework Statement


calculate the work done by a force F=(4.00yj)N(a varying force) that acts on an object that moves along the Y-axis, from Y=-2.0m to Y=3.0m


Homework Equations


non given but i assume it is W=fscos(θ)


The Attempt at a Solution


attempted to use W=fscos(θ) but only made me more lost. i have no idea where to even begin
 
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What's the direction of F as it moves from y = -2 to y = 3?

Is the direction of F the same as the path from y = -2 to y = 3?
 


SteamKing said:
What's the direction of F as it moves from y = -2 to y = 3?

Is the direction of F the same as the path from y = -2 to y = 3?

I would assume so, because it is acting on the object that is moving, so technically it is the force causing the movement is moving in the same direction. But no other info was given.
 


Start from the actual definition of work, [tex]W = \int_\gamma d\vec{s} \cdot \vec{F}[/tex] where you integrate over the path of the object.
 


clamtrox said:
Start from the actual definition of work, [tex]W = \int_\gamma d\vec{s} \cdot \vec{F}[/tex] where you integrate over the path of the object.

no clue on how to do it this way.
 


dyinfrmphysic said:
no clue on how to do it this way.

You know how to integrate and do dot products, right?

You have [itex]d\vec{s} = dy \hat{j}[/itex] (as the object moves on y-axis) and [itex]\vec{F} = 4 y N \hat{j}[/itex].
 


dyinfrmphysic said:
I would assume so, because it is acting on the object that is moving, so technically it is the force causing the movement is moving in the same direction. But no other info was given.
You don't have to "assume" so that information is expressly given:
"calculate the work done by a force F=(4.00yj)N(a varying force) that acts on an object that moves along the Y-axis, from Y=-2.0m to Y=3.0m"

That "j" in the force is the unit vector in the x direction. That means that the [itex]cos(\theta)[/itex] in your "W=fscos(θ)" is irrelevant. [itex]\theta= 0[/itex] so [itex]cos(\theta)= 1[/itex]. But just "W= fs" is wrong because that is for constant force.

Now, have you taken or are you taking a Calculus class? Clearly whoever gave you this problem expects you to know that with a variable force, that "product", fs, becomes an integral: [itex]\int f(x)dx[/itex].
 


HallsofIvy said:
You don't have to "assume" so that information is expressly given:
"calculate the work done by a force F=(4.00yj)N(a varying force) that acts on an object that moves along the Y-axis, from Y=-2.0m to Y=3.0m"

That "j" in the force is the unit vector in the x direction. That means that the [itex]cos(\theta)[/itex] in your "W=fscos(θ)" is irrelevant. [itex]\theta= 0[/itex] so [itex]cos(\theta)= 1[/itex]. But just "W= fs" is wrong because that is for constant force.

Now, have you taken or are you taking a Calculus class? Clearly whoever gave you this problem expects you to know that with a variable force, that "product", fs, becomes an integral: [itex]\int f(x)dx[/itex].

i did not take calculus, this is a "stepup problem" according to our professor to get us ready for calc based physics.
 


Try using the fact that the work is equal to the area under the curve when you plot the force vs. y.
 

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