What kind of energy is released during combustion

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The discussion revolves around the types of energy released during combustion and oxidation reactions, exploring the nature of chemical energy, kinetic energy, and electromagnetic radiation. Participants examine the forms of energy involved and the mechanisms behind energy release in chemical processes.

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  • Some participants propose that energy released during combustion can be understood as chemical energy, which is the potential energy of chemical bonds.
  • Others argue that energy can take multiple forms, including kinetic energy (thermal), electromagnetic radiation, and electric energy, depending on the reaction.
  • A participant questions whether the energy released causes conformational changes in molecules or if it is related to electron transitions that emit electromagnetic radiation.
  • One participant notes that oxidation reactions generally produce heat, and in combustion, this heat can lead to visible flames due to increased temperature of combustion products.
  • There is a suggestion that contemplating quantum-level processes may not be essential for a general understanding of chemistry.
  • A later reply raises the question of whether heat produced without visible flames is due to molecular movement or infrared radiation from electron energy levels, indicating a complex interplay between causes and effects.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of energy released during combustion, with no consensus on the specific mechanisms or forms of energy involved. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

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Participants highlight the complexity of energy transformations in chemical reactions, noting that assumptions about energy forms may depend on the specific context of the reaction and the definitions used.

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I always like to be specific when talking about "energy released". It is too vague for me, there is what to specify there. Take the example of the ATP molecule. When you break the bond, it will be the phosphate groups repelling each other, so it will be their kinetic energy that results in repulsion and hence, motion.
What about oxidation? Am I right it would be electromagnetic radiation due to electrons falling into lower energy states?
 
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Your understanding is incorrect. The energy released in chemical reactions is chemical energy. Chemical energy is the potential energy of chemical bonds.
 
MrAnchovy said:
Your understanding is incorrect. The energy released in chemical reactions is chemical energy. Chemical energy is the potential energy of chemical bonds.

Nope. Are you trying to say that the projectile shot from the gun has a chemical energy?

Energy released can take many forms. Kinetic (thermal), electromagnetic (light and other wavelengths), electric (charge separation in batteries).
 
MrAnchovy said:
Your understanding is incorrect. The energy released in chemical reactions is chemical energy. Chemical energy is the potential energy of chemical bonds.

Well, that's exactly what I'm asking here. In what form is the chemical energy released? Does it cause a sudden conformational change in a molecule (that's movement again), or are the newly formed molecules suddenly repelled because of their electron structure (movement again), or are the rearranging electrons radiating electromagnetic radiation as they fall back to lower energy states?

(I don't want to be off topic by the way, but I think ultimately almost all forms of energy released is kinetic, even if on quantum levels.)
 
Oh sorry, I misunderstood the question.

In general oxidation reactions produce heat. If the reaction is fast enough to be called combustion, the temperature of the combustion products (and the surrounding gases) increases sufficiently to emit electromagenetic radiation which we see and feel as a flame.

I don't think that contemplation of what is happening at the quantum level is helpful to a general understanding of chemistry, but if you want to go down this route start with the basics of a good undergraduate physical chemistry text and work on from there.
 
MrAnchovy said:
Oh sorry, I misunderstood the question.

In general oxidation reactions produce heat. If the reaction is fast enough to be called combustion, the temperature of the combustion products (and the surrounding gases) increases sufficiently to emit electromagenetic radiation which we see and feel as a flame.

I don't think that contemplation of what is happening at the quantum level is helpful to a general understanding of chemistry, but if you want to go down this route start with the basics of a good undergraduate physical chemistry text and work on from there.

Okay.
So when the oxidation does not produce visible flames, is the heat produced by molecular movement (the newly formed molecules gain momentum), or is it infrared radiation because of the new energy levels of the electrons? So which one is the cause and which one is the effect? It looks like both of them appear here.
 

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