What Makes Sunlight's Spectrum Superior to Flashlight Light?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the differences between sunlight and flashlight light, particularly in terms of vibrancy, spectrum, and the effects of various light sources on visual outcomes. Participants explore the implications of these differences for replicating sunlight effects indoors, with a focus on practical experimentation and the properties of light.

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  • Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that sunlight is inherently brighter than flashlight light, leading to more vibrant colors.
  • It is proposed that sunlight may diverge less than light from a flashlight, affecting the quality of the light observed.
  • The broad spectrum of sunlight is noted as a factor in producing more vibrant rainbows compared to the narrower spectrum of tungsten light sources.
  • Questions are raised about constructing a light source that could replicate the vibrancy of sunlight, with suggestions of full spectrum lights, though doubts about achieving brightness comparable to sunlight are expressed.
  • Participants discuss methods to reduce light divergence and the impact of different chandelier designs on light outcomes.
  • One participant proposes an experiment using a slit in cardboard to potentially enhance the vibrancy of light from a flashlight, although uncertainty about the effectiveness of this method is acknowledged.
  • Concerns are raised about the collimation of light and how it affects color purity, with references to chrominance differences and the sensitivity of human color discrimination.
  • Halogen lamps and photoflood lamps are suggested as potentially better alternatives to standard filament bulbs for achieving better light quality.
  • Some participants mention the availability of handheld spectrometers as tools for exploring the characteristics of different light sources, including LEDs and CFLs.
  • It is noted that many modern flashlights use cheap LEDs, which typically have narrower spectra than other light sources.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the differences between sunlight and flashlight light, with no clear consensus on the best methods to replicate sunlight effects or the implications of light divergence. Multiple competing ideas and uncertainties remain throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include assumptions about the effectiveness of proposed methods, the dependence on specific definitions of light quality, and unresolved questions about the best experimental approaches.

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In the morning I wake up and there is a amazing light effect that is caused by the sunlight and the chandelier in my living room. However when I use a flashlight to try to duplicate this process I am left with a pathetic duplication. The colors and size in my duplication are non vibrant and small. What is the difference in the light of a flashlight and sunlight? How might I go about repeating this process?
 
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There are two things I can think of.

1. The Sun is much brighter than a flashlight, so the colors will be brighter and more vibrant.
2. The light from the Sun may diverge less than light from a flashlight.
 
3. You will only get out what goes in.

The light from the sun is quite broad across the spectrum of visible light, whereas tungsten's is less so.

Your rainbows will be comprised only of bands of light that are in the source.

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Is there a light that I can construct into making it more vibrant and brighter?
And what can i do to make it diverge less?
And what are the best angles to make it the brightest?
How do different chandeliers affect the outcome?
 
Catch22meifucan said:
Is there a light that I can construct into making it more vibrant and brighter?
Tricky. You can get full spectrum lights, but you'll have a tough time getting them bright like the sun.

Catch22meifucan said:
And what can i do to make it diverge less?
I am not convinced this is a thing. I'd like to hear a little more about what Drakkith is thinking.
Catch22meifucan said:
And what are the best angles to make it the brightest?
How do different chandeliers affect the outcome?
Well, these are things that will be part of your findings from your experiments! :)
 
DaveC426913 said:
I am not convinced this is a thing. I'd like to hear a little more about what Drakkith is thinking.

I'm not convinced either. o_O

Here's something you can try, Catch22. Take a piece of thick paper or cardboard and cut a thin, rectangular slit in it and then shine the flashlight through the slit at the chandelier. This may reduce the overlap between the colors and produce a more vibrant rainbow, but I'm not certain as I don't have a chandelier to test it out on.
 
DaveC426913 said:
I am not convinced this is a thing. I'd like to hear a little more about what Drakkith is thinking.
:)

I suspect he is thinking along these lines: If the incident light is not well collimated there will be 'bleeding' of light of one wavelength into another. This will / could detract from the purity (saturation / Impact) of the colours in the projected spectrum. Light from more than one angle can arrive at the same location on the projector screen. We are pretty sensitive to chrominance differences, particularly in some areas of the CIE chart. I seem to remember that our colour discrimination is in the order of 2% (probably better than this, bearing in mind we need 8 bits to avoid noticeable contours on near-uniform colour fields.

A Halogen lamp would be better than a normal filament and a Photoflood lamp (over-run filament) could be better still.

You can get very reasonably priced hand held spectrometers and what they show you can be very revealing about some of the light sources we use these days. (LEDs and CFL). Look on eBay and ask for one as a stocking filler this Christmas!
 
sophiecentaur said:
I suspect he is thinking along these lines: If the incident light is not well collimated there will be 'bleeding' of light of one wavelength into another.

Yes, that's pretty much what I was thinking. Thanks for explaining!

sophiecentaur said:
You can get very reasonably priced hand held spectrometers and what they show you can be very revealing about some of the light sources we use these days. (LEDs and CFL). Look on eBay and ask for one as a stocking filler this Christmas!

Yes, I picked up a simple handheld one for a few dollars on Ebay a few years ago. Very interesting.
 
Most new flashlights are cheap LEDs, which don't have very broad spectra.
 

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