What Other Types of Information Can We Gather from Intergalactic Bodies?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the types of information that can be gathered from intergalactic bodies, exploring various methods beyond just light, including gravitational effects, neutrinos, and gravitational waves. Participants examine the definitions of "information" and "light" in the context of astrophysics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
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  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that gravitational effects provide information about intergalactic bodies.
  • Others mention neutrinos as an alternative source of information, referencing experiments like those conducted at the IceCube facility.
  • Gravitational waves are discussed as a potential source of information, though participants note that they have not yet been successfully detected.
  • Several participants emphasize that light is only a small part of the electromagnetic spectrum, which includes radio, microwave, infrared, ultraviolet, x-ray, and gamma rays.
  • Some argue that cosmic particles, such as cosmic rays and meteorites, could also provide information, although the relevance of meteorites to intergalactic studies is contested.
  • There is a debate over the definition of "light," with some asserting it should include all electromagnetic waves, while others argue it should be restricted to visible light or exclude radio waves.
  • Sound waves are mentioned, but participants clarify that they cannot propagate through outer space.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the definitions of "light" or "information," and multiple competing views remain regarding the sources and types of information that can be gathered from intergalactic bodies.

Contextual Notes

Some discussions hinge on the definitions of terms like "light" and "information," which may vary among participants. The relevance of certain sources of information, such as meteorites, is also debated in the context of intergalactic studies.

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We get electromagnetic radiation (entire spectrum) from extragalactic space, as well as particles. Neutrinos and cosmic rays (some quite energetic) can originate from outside the MW, so we are not limited to "light" in that sense. One saving grace of observational astronomy is that it IS observational. All observers have the same data set to work with, apart from differences in the telescopes and detectors that they have access to.
 
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johng23 said:
Are you of the opinion that the word "light" should only refer to visible light?

Usually, I only use the word "light" if it's visible, but I suppose it can depend who I'm talking to and what's the context.

Thinking about it, in my daily work, we don't even use that word. It's just gamma, x-ray, UV, visible, IR (near, mid, far), THz, microwave and radio. All those are (EM) waves or beams.

Light refers to what happens when you flip the wall switch, and nothing on the optical bench.

As long as the message gets across, I guess.
 

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