What part of the electromagnetic spectrum is not considered as light?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the classification of electromagnetic radiation, specifically what parts of the electromagnetic spectrum are considered "light." Participants explore definitions, common usage, and the characteristics of different types of electromagnetic radiation.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that all electromagnetic radiation is technically light, while others emphasize that common usage typically refers to ultraviolet, infrared, and visible spectrums as light.
  • A participant references their optics teacher's claim that not all parts of the electromagnetic spectrum are considered light, questioning the applicability of properties like refraction and reflection to all electromagnetic waves.
  • Another participant suggests that the definition of light encompasses electromagnetic waves across the entire spectrum, but acknowledges that casual references often limit the term to infrared and ultraviolet ranges.
  • One participant defines "light" as the portion of the electromagnetic spectrum detectable by the human eye, specifying a wavelength range of approximately 400-750 nm, and notes that radiation outside this range is typically not called light.
  • There is mention of practical applications where terms like "light" are used for infrared and ultraviolet radiation in fields such as telecommunications and photolithography, despite these wavelengths being outside the visible spectrum.
  • Some participants highlight that while visible light and other electromagnetic waves share characteristics, historical context has influenced the common understanding of the term "light."
  • A participant points out that electromagnetic field configurations that are not traveling waves, such as static electric or magnetic fields, cannot be considered light.
  • There is a note that certain communities, such as those working with X-rays, may use the term "light" in their nomenclature, despite the unusual nature of referring to such wavelengths as light.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the definition of light, with no consensus reached on what constitutes light within the electromagnetic spectrum. Some agree on the technical definition, while others emphasize common usage and context.

Contextual Notes

The discussion reveals limitations in definitions and the context-dependent nature of the term "light," as well as the varying interpretations based on practical applications and historical usage.

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I know that light is a form of electromagnetic radiation but I know that all electromagnetic radiation is not light. I know that light has four basic properties:

1) Light travels in straight lines.
2)Light can reflect.
3)Light can bend.
4)Light is a form of energy

What I want to know is what part of the electromagnetic spectrum is not considered as light?
 
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Technically, all of the spectrum is light. In terms of common usage, I would say that the ultraviolet, infrared and visible spectrums are usually referred to as light. But I only state that in terms of casual usage.
 
But my optics teacher who is a Ph D in laser physics told me that all of the electromagnetic spectrum is not considered as light, are you sure about that all of the parts of electromagnetic spectrum can be refracted, reflected and travel in straight lines?
 
Marketo said:
But my optics teacher who is a Ph D in laser physics told me that all of the electromagnetic spectrum is not considered as light, are you sure about that all of the parts of electromagnetic spectrum can be refracted, reflected and travel in straight lines?

Sure. It's all a matter of scale. But that isn't the definition of light. Light is electromagnetic waves, which covers the entire spectrum by definition. But like I said above, especially being an optics major, in terms of casual reference people probably only call infrared to ultraviolet as being light. Outside of that they may call it radiation or waves. But the frequency doesn't change the basic physics of the wave for the most part (except for the divergence from classical electromagnetics that you are going to see as you go to higher frequencies).
 
It has always been my understanding that "light" is that part of the electromagnetic spectrum that can be detected when it enters the eye. The relevant wavelenghts range from about 400 -750 nm. Electromagnetic radiation whose photons have wavelengths outside this range are therefore invisible to the eye and go by names other than "light" e.g. ultraviolet, x-rays, etc.

The whole naming thing gets a bit confused when one talks about sunlight for instance. This term can apply to the unique mix of colors seen my the eye, or to the infrared and ultraviolet radiations that penetrate the atmosphere as well.

One must take the use of the word light in the proper context.

Hope this helps.
 
The term 'light' is used in practice to those e-m spectrum, which is ruled by the same optics (in practical sense) as 'visual light'. Telecom engineers using mostly 1550nm infrared, refer to it as to 'light' - and they use glass lens, silvered mirrors, Fabry-Perot filters, etc., virtually the same as in visual optics. Photolitography engineers use 200nm ultraviolet, and they still call it 'light'.
But I can't see any more precise distinction than 'applicability of visual light optics' and 'not too-far extension of meaning of "visual light" '

It would be rather unusual to call 1 nm X-rays or 1 mm-microwaves 'a light'.
 
"Light" is any electromagnetic traveling wave, which includes the entire electromagnetic spectrum. "Visible light" is any em traveling wave of a wavelength that the human eye can detect, typically 390 to 750 nm. Aside from the wavelength, there is nothing physically different between visible light and other wavelengths. Radio waves can reflect, refract, travel, and carry energy just as well as a red laser beam if they encounter scale-equivalent objects. The confusion comes because historically, radio waves looked different at first than visible light, so the word "light" historically only meant visible light.
 
Note, there are electromagnetic field configurations that are not traveling waves and therefore cannot be considered light, such as the electrostatic field created by static charges, the magnetostatic field created by static magnets or steady electric currents, or induction fields created by time-varying magnetic fields that vary slow enough to not induce a significant displacement current.
 
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xts said:
It would be rather unusual to call 1 nm X-rays or 1 mm-microwaves 'a light'.

The x-ray community does, at least in naming their light sources. "Linac Coherent Light Source", "Advanced Light Source".
 

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