What properties allow me to see past Earth's curvature?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the observation of a tall building from a significant distance, specifically addressing the apparent visibility of the building despite calculations suggesting it should be obscured by the curvature of the Earth. Participants explore concepts related to Earth's curvature, potential refraction, and the phenomenon of looming.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant reports seeing a 193-foot building from 24 miles away, questioning why a significant portion of the building was visible despite calculations indicating it should be obscured by approximately 270 feet due to Earth's curvature.
  • Another participant suggests that the phenomenon of looming might explain the visibility of the building.
  • A third participant raises a concern about the use of Imperial measurements, implying that incorrect unit conversions could affect the calculations.
  • A fourth participant provides a link to a calculator that confirms the initial calculation of around 270 feet of obscured height.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the reasons behind the visibility of the building, with some proposing looming as a possible explanation while others question the accuracy of the measurements used. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact cause of the observation.

Contextual Notes

There are potential limitations regarding the assumptions made in the curvature calculations, the accuracy of measurements, and the effects of atmospheric conditions, which remain unaddressed.

Duda
I recently was able to view a 193 foot building from 24 miles away. The base of the building is approximately 15 feet above sea level and my eye level was approximately 9 feet above sea level. I was viewing the building across a Lake. I could see a substantial amount of the building, which seemed like 75% or even 100%, but of course the distance was so great that I couldn't get details. Based on my curvature of the Earth calculations, I should not have been able to see any of the building as ~270 feet should have been obscured by the curvature of Earth. What am I missing? Is there some kind of refraction?
 
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I always have problems with Imperial Measurements (our Empire was dispensed with many years ago and so should the units have been!) Could it be that you are giving the formula you are using the wrong units for one of the dimensions? (No offence - just checking is always worth while. :smile:)
There is a good link about Looming here.
 
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