What speed v(t) enables constant power by solenoid pull?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the problem of determining the speed v(t) that allows a solenoid to pull a plunger at constant power, while addressing concerns about noise generated during the plunger's actuation. Participants explore the implications of boundary conditions and the nature of forces involved in the system.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant outlines the boundary conditions and the magnetic force equation, seeking a dynamic position x(t) to derive velocity.
  • Another participant questions the feasibility of achieving zero position x(t=T)=0 without resulting in infinite force, suggesting that this would lead to a crash noise.
  • A later reply proposes reserving a minimal air gap 𝛿 to avoid the infinite force issue while still pursuing a solution for constant power.
  • One participant challenges the utility of maintaining constant power, arguing that if power is constant at the end of the stroke, it leads to contradictions regarding force and velocity, suggesting that energy should be dissipated to prevent noise.
  • Another participant mentions the possibility of using a spring as an alternative solution, depending on the duration of the actuation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility of achieving constant power without generating noise, and there is no consensus on the best approach to mitigate the crash noise associated with the plunger's actuation.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations related to boundary conditions and the implications of force and velocity relationships, but do not resolve these issues.

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Assuming the position x = 0 if no air gap, max stroke of plunger is L.
Bordery conditions: x(t=0) = L, x(t=T)= 0.
Given magnetic force F(x) = kx(t)^-2, here k is constant.
If uncontrolled, there is big crash noise afer solenoid actuated, so I wish it pull plunger at constant power.
Help me find the dynamic position x(t), then I can get velocity.
I know Wolfram software may resolve it, but I have no money to buy it.
 
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cairoliu said:
Bordery conditions: x(t=0) = L, x(t=T)= 0.
Given magnetic force F(x) = kx(t)^-2, here k is constant.
If uncontrolled, there is big crash noise afer solenoid actuated, so I wish it pull plunger at constant power.
If x(t=T)= 0, then F(x(t=T)) = kx(t=T)^-2 = k(0)^-2 = ##\infty##. How do you expect not having a big crash noise at t=T ?
 
jack action said:
If x(t=T)= 0, then F(x(t=T)) = kx(t=T)^-2 = k(0)^-2 = ##\infty##. How do you expect not having a big crash noise at t=T ?
Now that noise not good, I can reserve a minimal air gap 𝛿, then x(t=T)= 𝛿, and still ask for the solution of constant power.
 
How is constant power helping you? If you have power ##P## at the end of the stroke, then if ##F = 0##, ##v## must be infinite, or if ##v = 0##, then ##F## must be infinite. Any way you choose, you will have a lot of energy to disperse rapidly when the plunger suddenly stops.

To avoid the big crash noise, you would normally remove the energy - with a damping force - before it reaches the end. Which means power would gradually go to zero.
 
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Or a spring, depending upon duration.
 

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