What Surfaces Can Be Described Using Cylindrical Coordinates?

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The discussion revolves around describing surfaces in the cylindrical coordinate system, specifically focusing on the conditions where r, θ, and z are held constant. Participants explore the implications of these conditions in both two-dimensional and three-dimensional contexts.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the condition r=constant describes a circle in the xy-plane, but question what it represents in three-dimensional space.
  • Others argue that θ=constant describes a line parallel to the z-axis, but there is uncertainty about whether these conditions are to be considered simultaneously or separately.
  • There is a suggestion that holding z=constant leads to a specific surface, but participants are unsure how to visualize or describe this surface accurately.
  • A later reply questions the approach of using Cartesian coordinates to understand the surfaces, suggesting that it might be clearer to stick with cylindrical coordinates.
  • Some participants express confusion about the relationship between the conditions and the resulting surfaces, particularly regarding the free variable z.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the conditions r=constant, θ=constant, and z=constant lead to different surfaces, but there is no consensus on whether these conditions should be treated simultaneously or separately. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact nature of the surfaces described.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the relationships between the cylindrical and Cartesian coordinates, as well as the implications of holding one variable constant while varying others.

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Hey! :o

I am looking at an exercise that asks to describe the surfaces r=constant, θ=constant and z=constant in the cylindrical coordinate system.

The cylindrical coordinates are $(r, \theta , z)$, that are defined by $x=r \cos \theta , y=r \sin \theta , z=z$

$r=\sqrt{x^2+y^2}, z=z , \theta=\arctan (\frac{y}{x} )$

r=constant=c: $c=\sqrt{x^2+y^2} \Rightarrow x^2+y^2=c^2$ Is this a circle?? (Wondering)

θ=constant=k: What can we say at this case?? (Wondering)

z=constant=m: How can we use this to find the surface?? (Wondering)
 
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It sounds to me like what is described here is a line parallel to the $z$-axis...
 
MarkFL said:
It sounds to me like what is described here is a line parallel to the $z$-axis...

Do we not have to find the surface r=constant, the surface θ=constant and the surface z=constant ?? (Wondering)

Are we looking for only one surface?? (Wondering)
 
Are the 3 conditions all to be met simultaneously or are these separate conditions?
 
MarkFL said:
Are the 3 conditions all to be met simultaneously or are these separate conditions?

I thought that these 3 conditions are separate since we are asked to describe the surfaces.
 
Okay...what do you think $r=k$ where $k$ is a real constant describes?
 
mathmari said:
I thought that these 3 conditions are separate since we are asked to describe the surfaces.

I have edited the thread title to indicate the fact that surfaces is plural. :D
 
MarkFL said:
Okay...what do you think $r=k$ where $k$ is a real constant describes?
Then we have $x^2+y^2=k^2$. If we were in $\mathbb{R}^2$ it would be a circle, right?? (Wondering) but now we are looking in $\mathbb{R}^3$. What is it now?? (Wondering)
MarkFL said:
I have edited the thread title to indicate the fact that surfaces is plural. :D

OK... :D
 
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mathmari said:
Then we have $x^2+y^2=k^2$. If we were in $\mathbb{R}^2$ it would be a circle, right?? (Wondering) but noiw we are looking in $\mathbb{R}^3$. What is it now?? (Wondering)

Right, but you are missing the free variable $z$, so ...

I think it will be easier this time using $x=rcos\theta, \ y=rsin\theta,\ z=z$ rather than the equations you seem to be using in order to see what surface is when one of the variables is constant.
 
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Fallen Angel said:
Right, but you are missing the free variable $z$, so ...

I think it will be easier this time using $x=rcos\theta, \ y=rsin\theta,\ z=z$ rather than the equations you seem to be using in order to see what surface is when one of the variables is constant.

Using $x=r \cos \theta$, $y=r \sin \theta$ and $z=z$ and knowing that $r=\text{ constant }=k$, we have that $x=k \cos \theta$ and $y=k \sin \theta$.

How can we see in that way which the surface is?? (Wondering)
 
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We would have $r=k$ for all $z$...so in every plane $z=\ell$, we would have a circle...what surface does this describe?
 

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