What topics are best for study of how gravity light works?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the mechanics and feasibility of the gravity light, a device that utilizes gravitational potential energy to power a light source. Participants explore the physics, mathematics, and practical implications of this technology, including comparisons to historical devices like wind-up and water clocks.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants describe the gravity light as a device that slowly releases gravitational potential energy to power a light, contrasting it with traditional quick-release energy mechanisms.
  • Others question the novelty of the gravity light, noting that similar mechanisms, like clocks powered by falling weights, have existed for centuries.
  • A participant highlights the role of LEDs in this system, suggesting that their efficiency allows for the use of less power compared to older technologies.
  • There is a mathematical exploration of the energy requirements for operating a light, with calculations provided for the mass and height needed to generate sufficient energy for a 5W LED.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the practicality of lifting heavy weights regularly to power the light, raising concerns about the physical demands involved.
  • A humorous historical reference is made to Thomas Jefferson, who allegedly addressed similar practical issues with gravity-powered devices.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of curiosity and skepticism regarding the gravity light. While there is interest in the underlying physics, there is no consensus on its practicality or novelty, with multiple competing views presented throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations are noted, such as the assumptions about the efficiency of energy conversion and the physical constraints of lifting weights in typical indoor environments. The discussion also reflects varying interpretations of the gravity light's innovation compared to historical devices.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to individuals exploring renewable energy technologies, physics enthusiasts, and those curious about practical applications of gravitational potential energy.

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I've seen a little bit about the gravity light. I think it works in a simple way, a weight at a certain height has gravitational potential energy depending on how far the weight will fall, this quantity represents the total energy we have at our disposal to power a light. Now we normally think of something falling very quickly, releasing all that potential energy in less than a second. But that is the ingenious aspect of the gravity light. The inventors figured, why not slowly release that gravitational potential energy over a period of time, at a rate which will be just enough to power a light at a reasonable brightness for a reasonable amount of time. Fascinating!

I would like to delve in a little bit into the physics that makes this possible. The mathematics involved. The thing that really pops out at me is the idea of slowly releasing the energy of a process that would normally be an explosion of energy over a very short time.
 
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stargateengineer said:
I've seen a little bit about the gravity light

what's gravity light ?

you post sounds like scifi
 
The comparison to an open wick kerosene lamp (no mantle) is more a testament to the weak light produced by a kerosene lantern than to the output of a gravity light. One tenth of a watt is not much.
 
stargateengineer said:
Now we normally think of something falling very quickly, releasing all that potential energy in less than a second. But that is the ingenious aspect of the gravity light. The inventors figured, why not slowly release that gravitational potential energy over a period of time
Clocks powered this way have been around for centuries. So that is not really the novel thing here, but rather combining it with modern energy efficient LEDs, in a small casing (design small but reliable gearing to provide high RPMs to the generator).

 
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at a rate which will be just enough to power a light at a reasonable brightness
I was surprised to learn that the LED limited the power flowing through the circuit to regulate the rate at which the weight falls.
 
stargateengineer said:
I would like to delve in a little bit into the physics that makes this possible. The mathematics involved. The thing that really pops out at me is the idea of slowly releasing the energy of a process that would normally be an explosion of energy over a very short time.
Well, to start, calculate the gravitational potential energy of the system with the GPE equation. Then just divide the result by the time of the fall to get the power produced (or vice versa).
 
@russ_watters and @A.T. Gave you very good answers. Wind up clocks are ancient. Water clocks are ancient. What is new is LED lights that work with so little power.
 
It's worth running some numbers before we all rush to cancel our electricity contract. Just how much weight do you have to lift? How high and how frequently? Here is an example...

A 40W Incandescent bulb or a 5W LED can produce about 450 Lumens. If you wanted it to operate your 5W LED for say 5 mins you would need the weight to store 1,500 Joules (5*5*60 =1500). Most houses have ceilings around 3m high so if you want your lamp to fit indoors the weight can't be lifted higher than that. To store 1500 Joules in a weight raised 3m the mass would have to be 1500/(9.81*3) = 50kg. So every 5 mins you have to put down your book and lift a 50kg weight 3m into the air.
 
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CWatters said:
. Most houses have ceilings around 3m high so if you want your lamp to fit indoors the weight can't be lifted higher than that.

Thomas Jefferson solved this problem by cutting a hole in his floor.
 
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CWatters said:
It's worth running some numbers before we all rush to cancel our electricity contract.
Not the supposed application of this, obviously.
 
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