What Type of Pressure Valves Are Needed for an Underwater Flow Widget?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around selecting appropriate pressure valves for an underwater flow widget designed to release colored fluid drop by drop as it moves through water. The widget consists of a series of interconnected cylinders, and participants explore the implications of fluid dynamics and pressure at various points within the system.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the design of the widget, including its dimensions and the pressure exerted at Point A due to water depth.
  • Another participant suggests using Bernoulli's equation to relate pressures at different points in the system and notes the need for flow rate in ml per second rather than per meter.
  • A later reply expresses gratitude for the suggestion and shares their calculations regarding the total volume of fluid the cylinders can hold, indicating a desire for controlled fluid release.
  • Another participant raises a question about the speed of the widget's movement through the water and discusses the impact of back-pressure on fluid dynamics.
  • There is a suggestion that achieving the desired drop release could involve timed opening and closing of the valve to manage drag effectively.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and approaches to the problem, with no consensus reached on the specific type of pressure valves or the best method for achieving the desired fluid release.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully resolved the implications of back-pressure on fluid flow, nor have they established a clear flow rate or timing mechanism for the valve operation.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in fluid dynamics, engineering design, or those working on similar underwater mechanisms may find this discussion relevant.

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If anyone can help it will be greatly appreciated.

Im trying to figure out what type of pressure valves to use in an underwater flow widget. The widget is a cylinder with 1 inflow valve and 1 outflow valve. The cylinder is filled with colored water. As the cylinder moves through water I want water to run through the widget and release the colored fluid that's inside drop by drop.

Also, the cylinder is actually a series of 3 cylinders connected together.
This is what i can tell you about the cylinder:

Point A: At 1.5 meters in depth, water will be pushing onto valve A at 148 (mbar) and into a cylinder that's 12 mm long and 7mm in diameter.

Point B: It then will enter another cylinder that is 40 mm long 10 mm in diameter.

Point C: At this point it will enter another cylinder 5mm long and 7mm in diameter and out another valve, valve C.




Im trying to figure out what the pressure will be at Point A and Point C so that I can choose the correct umbrella valves to use so that water flows out of the chamber drop by drop. Maybe 1 drop or .1 ml per 1 meters
 
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You want Bournoulli's equation to relate the pressures at each end of the tube.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernoulli's_principle

Note: 0.1ml per meter is not a rate of flow ... you need ml per second.
You want the drops to exit the tube and then fall so that each of them fall 1m before the next one comes out?
 
THANKS Simon!

I've been trying to figure out how to use Bournoulli's Theorem. I am very new to physics, LOVE science, especially physics..I've just never been formally taught beyond science 101 in high school...I went to a trade school. So please excuse any seemingly amateur questions. Anyways, I really appreciate your help.

I think you are correct about the the release of the inner contents. My calculations show that the cylinders will hold a rough total of 3.8 ml. As the cylinders move through the water, I only want the fluid to exit at (.05 ml- .1 ml) every (.5-1 m) of travel. I think that is essentially the same thing as falling. Also, the cylinder is suspending at about 1.5 m below the surface of the water.
 
Hmmm ... how fast will the thing be moving through the water?

The situation is a bit different from pushing water through a pipe since the back-pressure means that not all the water immediately in front of the mouth of the pipe goes into the pipe.

To release a drop of water every meter or so would be best achieved by having the valve just open and close at timed intervals. The effect would be to reduce the drag a little at those intervals.
What is it you are trying to achieve here?
 

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