What typical voltages are induced from a typical magnet (50-75 gauss)

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The discussion revolves around the voltages induced by a ceramic magnet with a field strength of 50-75 gauss when brushed across a conductor. Participants explore the experimental setup, measurement techniques, and theoretical considerations related to Faraday's Law of electromagnetic induction.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks to measure induced voltages using a millivoltmeter and questions the expected voltage range and read-rate for brief interactions with the magnet.
  • Another participant challenges the definition of a "typical magnet" and requests clarification on the experimental setup.
  • A suggestion is made to use a sensitive milliammeter or micro-ammeter, with a preference for an analog meter for better interpretation of results.
  • Further clarification is provided regarding the type of magnet being used, specifying it as a permanent ceramic magnet and detailing the experimental approach involving different orientations relative to the conductor.
  • One participant expresses confusion about applying Faraday's Law to the situation, particularly regarding the area involved in the calculation and the relationship between magnetic field strength and induced voltage.
  • A calculation is presented using Faraday's Law, estimating an induced voltage of 3.75 millivolts under specific conditions, but it is noted as a very short pulse.

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Participants express differing views on the definition of a "typical magnet" and the specifics of the experimental setup. There is no consensus on the expected voltage range or the best measurement approach, indicating multiple competing views remain.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight uncertainties regarding the application of Faraday's Law, particularly in defining the area involved in the induced voltage calculation and the assumptions about the magnetic field strength and its variation during the experiment.

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Hi, I'd like to use a millivoltmeter to research voltages induced from a basic ceramic magnet brushing by a conductor. So, I need to buy a millivolt meter. What voltage ranges will be required, and what read-rate should the millivolt meter have (in order for it to register the voltage in a split second brush with the magnet)? Is 1 millivolt a reasonable value to expect?
Any sources (books or online) you know I should check out related to this question?
Also, it would be nice if it would record these voltages (or at least leave it displayed so I could record them). Can you suggest any particular model millivolt meter?
 
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What is a "typical magnet"? Field strength is not even a parameter of the electromagnet itself.
Which type of experiment do you plan to perform?

Without these things, it is impossible to give any number.
 
If you just want to show that a moving magnet can produce an induced emf then you will need a sensitive milliammeter or micro-ammeter. I would suggest an analogue meter so that you can see movement of the pointer. A digital meter might be difficult to interpret.
If you have access to an oscilloscope that should also give some indication and you may be able to store the information.
 
Thanks for the reply truesearch... astute observation about the analog meter--probably right about that. And yes, I should probably be in the micro amp range to be sure to be sensitive enough. An oscillascope also would be great, but I do not have access to one, saving the data would also be ideal. Glad you were able to have a sense of what I was looking to find out. Thanks.
 
Thanks mfb for the reply,... by a typical magnet, I mean a permanent, ceramic magnet in the 50-75 gauss range, not an electro-magnet. The experiment I have in mind is to brush the permanent magnet across an insulated conductor (steel or copper) with different orientations of the permanent magnet in relation to the conductor (north-south direction oriented with the conductor--parallel or perpendicular), and record the various results.
I should probably use faraday's law to estimate the voltage, but I get confused when I try to appy it to this situation. I guess the number of turns would be 1. so you'd just have E = d(BA)/dt. B would be the magnetic field strengh, but A is the area? If the wire is straight where the magnet passes by, What area? Isn't the area usually the area of the coil? I guess it should have something to do with the distance of the magnet from the conductor--possibly. I guess B would go from 0 --> 50 gauss (is that the right units to use)? So, again, any help you can be regarding what range the voltmeter should be in, or possibly I should be observing the amps? And an appropriate (and cheap) model to use would be greatly appreciated.
 
Let's try using Faraday's Law:
[tex]\oint E \space d \ell = V = -N \int n \cdot \frac{dB}{dt}dA[/tex]
N=100 turn coil
A=0.0005 meters2
dB=0.0075 Tesla
dt=0.1 seconds

V = 100 * 0.0005 * 0.0075 /0.1 = 3.75 millivolts

This is a very short pulse.
 

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