What was the 1919 experiment about? Explanation needed.

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The discussion centers around the 1919 experiment that aimed to test aspects of Einstein's theory of General Relativity, particularly focusing on the bending of light due to gravity during a solar eclipse. Participants seek clarification on the details and implications of the experiment.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that the 1919 experiment tested gravitational time dilation during an eclipse.
  • Others explain that Einstein's theory posits that gravity bends light, which can be observed by measuring the shift in the apparent position of distant stars when a massive object, like the sun, is in the way.
  • One participant mentions that the eclipse provided a convenient opportunity to observe stars close to the sun, which is otherwise difficult during daytime.
  • There is a claim that the shift predicted by General Relativity is twice that predicted by Newton's gravity, although some uncertainty is expressed regarding the results due to optical effects near the sun's atmosphere.
  • Another participant questions whether the bending of starlight can be seen as an indirect test of gravitational time dilation, leading to a discussion about the terminology used, including gravitational lensing.

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Participants express various interpretations of the experiment, with some agreeing on the significance of the bending of light while others debate the terminology and implications related to gravitational time dilation and lensing. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the precise definitions and relationships between these concepts.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about gravitational time dilation and its relationship to the bending of light, as well as the potential optical effects that may have influenced the results of the 1919 experiment.

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Hi all,

I rememeber that in 1919, scientists did an experiment to verify the relativity theory but do not know what they do in detail. Could anyone explain to me pls.

Thanks
 
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You remember? J/K. In 1919 there was a test of gravitational time dilation during an eclipse.
 
Einstein's theory of General relativity says that gravity bends light
gravitational_bending_l.jpg


If you observe the shift in apparent position of a distant star when there is / is not a massive object in the way you can test the theory.

The tricky part is that the only suitably massive body is the sun and it's rather difficult to observe a star very close to the sun in daytime. The eclipse was just a convenient way of blocking the light from the sun during the measurement.

The important result was that the shift predicted by GR was twice the shift predicted by Newton's gravity (if you used Special Relativity to assign an equivalent 'mass' to a photon). In fact it looks like the results were really a bit too close to call because of some optical effects to do with the edge of the sun's atmosphere.

Since then we have tested it to about 0.1% using modern telescopes
 
russ_watters said:
You remember? J/K. In 1919 there was a test of gravitational time dilation during an eclipse.
It was a test of the bending of starlight--can that also be seen as an indirect test of gravitational time dilation or did you misspeak? Anyway, here are some articles:

http://www.esa.int/esaSC/SEM7I9R1VED_index_0.html
http://www.simonsingh.net/1919_Eclipse.html
http://ircamera.as.arizona.edu/NatSci102/text/lightbend.htm
 
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Thanks to all for very fast responses. It's clear now.
(I meant remember reading)
 
JesseM said:
It was a test of the bending of starlight--can that also be seen as an indirect test of gravitational time dilation or did you misspeak?
Misspeak - I meant to say gravitational lensing...which, perhaps is not exactly the same thing either.
 
russ_watters said:
Misspeak - I meant to say gravitational lensing...which, perhaps is not exactly the same thing either.

I thought you were making a joke about him remembering an event 90years ago.
 

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