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The discussion centers around the concept of ether, particularly its composition as understood by ancient civilizations, primarily the Greeks. Participants debate the definition of "ancients," with a focus on how ether was perceived in ancient Greek and medieval science. Ether was viewed as an intangible substance, akin to air, with properties like zero density and infinite rigidity. The conversation also touches on the transition in scientific understanding, referencing the Michelson-Morley experiment, which challenged the existence of ether. Additionally, there are mentions of ether as a volatile liquid used in laboratories, with a nostalgic note on its pleasant smell. The thread concludes with confusion over the original question posed, leading to a suggestion for a more focused discussion in a new thread.
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Isn't the ether made of...ether?

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“There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge,”
 
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jeane300 said:
What was the composition of ether according to the ancients?
Define "ancients". In the U.S. that generally means the ancient Greeks or earlier. Is that what you have in mind?
 
It wasn't composed of anything, ether just was. To 19th century scientists it had zero density and infinite rigidity, properties like that.
 
Aether was like 'air' in their eyes I suppose. Space? It's really hard to describe what it could be like without using the word aether!

The speed of light experiments Michelson Morley dispensed with the notion from memory.

Ether is a volatile liquid that we used euthanise a lot of insects at university.
It smells nice.
 
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From Elements of Natural Philosophy, by Elroy M. Avery, Ph.D., Sheldon and Company, 1878 and 1885:

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I knew there was a reason I kept that book. Important knowledge such as this must not be lost.
 
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We still don't know what question we're answering since @jeane300 has not bothered to define what "ancients" she's talking about. To me 1878 is NOT "ancient", it's just slightly elderly. Like me, only more so.
 
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jrmichler said:
I knew there was a reason I kept that book. Important knowledge such as this must not be lost.
Fantastic connections , thanku very much.
 
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phinds said:
Define "ancients". In the U.S. that generally means the ancient Greeks or earlier. Is that what you have in mind?
Yes, I am talking about ancient Greeks and medieval science,
 
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pinball1970 said:
Aether was like 'air' in their eyes I suppose. Space? It's really hard to describe what it could be like without using the word aether!

The speed of light experiments Michelson Morley dispensed with the notion from memory.

Ether is a volatile liquid that we used euthanise a lot of insects at university.
It smells nice.
It's funny because when we talk about 'ether' the reference is always the smell heheheh
 
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phinds said:
We still don't know what question we're answering since @jeane300 has not bothered to define what "ancients" she's talking about. To me 1878 is NOT "ancient", it's just slightly elderly. Like me, only more so.
I put, Greeks, and medieval science
 
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jeane300 said:
https://cds.cern.ch/record/539311/files/ext-2002-016.pdf

What was the composition of ether according to the ancients?

jeane300 said:
I put, Greeks, and medieval science

No, your OP had a link to more modern "ether/aether" topics, not ancient Greece.

This thread is a mess, and is now closed. Please PM me again to see if we can salvage a new thread start for whatever the heck you are really asking. Lordy.
 
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