What was the value of the permeability constant in 1865?

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The discussion centers around the value of the permeability constant (μ₀) in 1865, the period when Maxwell's theory was first published. Participants explore the historical context, experimental methods used to determine the constant, and the units employed during that time.

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  • One participant inquires about the value of the permeability constant in 1865 and the experimental methods used to determine it.
  • Another participant suggests reading linked articles for more information but finds them unhelpful.
  • A participant notes that Maxwell did not use the modern equation for the speed of radiation, v = 1/√(μ₀ ε₀), as SI units were not codified during his time, and emphasizes that Maxwell's work should be viewed through the lens of the units he used.
  • Further, a participant discusses the cgs system, explaining the definitions of emu and esu units and how Maxwell related them to the speed of light.
  • Another participant expresses difficulty in understanding the original derivation of radiation speed and its relation to modern electromagnetic theory.

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Participants express uncertainty regarding the historical value of the permeability constant and the methods used to determine it. There is no consensus on the exact value or the experimental details, and multiple viewpoints regarding Maxwell's use of units and equations are presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in tracing the historical context of the permeability constant, including the dependence on definitions and the differences in unit systems used at the time.

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What is the value of the permeability constant in 1865, the time when Maxwell's theory was first published? What was the experimental method used to determine the constant. Who did the experiment.
 
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anorlunda said:
I'm not sure. Try reading the papers linked in this article.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_Heaviside
Nothing there.

It is said Maxwell discovered that the speed of radiation v = 1/√(μ₀ ε₀) and v happened to be near the known speed of light then. So in 1865, there should be an accepted value of μ₀. But google gives no clue at all. Why so difficult to trace history of permeability constant?
 
Maxwell didn't actually use the equation ##v = \frac 1 {\sqrt {\mu_0 \epsilon_0}}##. That equation uses SI units which hadn't been codified in Maxwell's day. He used a different set of units, and indeed different names for many electromagnetic quantities. The equation we use nowadays should be considered a modern "translation" or "interpretation" of Maxwell's calculations. For what it's worth, you can see what Maxwell actually wrote when he calculated the theoretical speed of his electromagnetic waves:

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Philosophical_magazine_23_series_4.djvu/38
 
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jtbell said:
Maxwell didn't actually use the equation ##v = \frac 1 {\sqrt {\mu_0 \epsilon_0}}##. That equation uses SI units which hadn't been codified in Maxwell's day. He used a different set of units, and indeed different names for many electromagnetic quantities. The equation we use nowadays should be considered a modern "translation" or "interpretation" of Maxwell's calculations. For what it's worth, you can see what Maxwell actually wrote when he calculated the theoretical speed of his electromagnetic waves:

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Philosophical_magazine_23_series_4.djvu/38
OK. The original derivation of radiation speed is too difficult for me. I don't really know how our modern EM speed derivation may be related or compared to Maxwell's original.
 
avicenna said:
OK. The original derivation of radiation speed is too difficult for me. I don't really know how our modern EM speed derivation may be related or compared to Maxwell's original.
In the cgs system in use at that time (and also when I was at school) there are two sets of units, emu and esu. The emu is current (charge x velocity) necessary to produce a force of 1 dyne between two conductors, and the esu is the charge necessary to produce a force of 1 dyne between two charges, all spaced 1cm. For a vacuum, permeability and permittivity were defined as 1. Maxwell noticed that the ratio of these two units was about equal to 3 x 10^8 m/s, which is c.
 
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tech99 said:
In the cgs system in use at that time (and also when I was at school) there are two sets of units, emu and esu. The emu is current (charge x velocity) necessary to produce a force of 1 dyne between two conductors, and the esu is the charge necessary to produce a force of 1 dyne between two charges, all spaced 1cm. For a vacuum, permeability and permittivity were defined as 1. Maxwell noticed that the ratio of these two units was about equal to 3 x 10^8 m/s, which is c.
Great! Very helpful. Though I don't understand it now, this is the hint if I want to investigate further. I do know that the force between currents in conductors is related to the magnetic field and thus to permeability. The other is simply related to permittivity.
 

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