What's the Fourier transform of these functions?

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The discussion revolves around finding the Fourier transform of several functions involving the signum function and the cosine function, with specific constants and a step function included. The original poster expresses a preference for using tables for the Fourier transform and raises questions about the implications of constants and nested functions in the context of Fourier analysis.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the rules regarding the addition and multiplication of constants in Fourier transforms, questioning how these affect the frequency domain. There is also a focus on whether the Fourier transform or Fourier series is more appropriate for periodic functions.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered insights into the nature of the functions involved and suggested ways to approach the problem, including splitting integrals based on the sign of the cosine function. There is an ongoing exploration of how to combine known Fourier transforms from tables and the implications of using the signum function.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the periodic nature of the functions and the potential confusion between Fourier transforms and Fourier series, particularly in relation to the step function and the signum function. There is also a mention of the need for clarity regarding the representation of constants in the Fourier domain.

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Homework Statement



How can I figure out the Fourier transform of the following:
I'd prefer to use tables if at all possible.
1. d(z)=d_{eff}sign[\cos[2\pi z]/\Lambda])
(note this is one function inside another one.)
2. d(z)=d_{eff}(1/2)(sign[\cos[2\pi z]/\Lambda]+1)

3. d(z)=d_{eff}\frac{1}{2}a\{u(z)-u(z-\frac{\Lambda}{2})\}+\frac{1}{2}b\{u(z-\frac{\Lambda}{2}))-u(z-\Lambda)\}

d_eff, a, b and Lambda (the period) are constants. u(z) is the step function. (I'm using it to model a square wave)

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I took this class a long time ago. There were some kind of rules about what to do if a constant is added, or multiplied by a constant, or if functions are nested, please refresh my memory. For example, if two functions are added in time domain, does that also mean they are added in frequency domain?
FT of step function is this: \sum_{n\ odd}\frac{4}{n\pi}e^{iwt}-e^{-iwt}
FT of signum function: 1/(pi*i*f)
I need the exponential form but I can convert.
 
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snickersnee said:

Homework Statement



How can I figure out the Fourier transform of the following:
I'd prefer to use tables if at all possible.
1. d(z)=d_{eff}sign[\cos[2\pi z]/\Lambda])
(note this is one function inside another one.)
2. d(z)=d_{eff}(1/2)(sign[\cos[2\pi z]/\Lambda]+1)

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The Attempt at a Solution



I took this class a long time ago. There were some kind of rules about what to do if a constant is added, or multiplied by a constant, or if functions are nested, please refresh my memory.
FT of signum function is this: \sum_{n\ odd}\frac{4}{n\pi}e^{iwt}-e^{-iwt}

Do you want the Fourier transform, or the Fourier series? Since your functions are periodic, I assume you really should want the series; I'm not sure the transform is well-defined (at least I was having trouble getting the transform to work out).

Let me focus on your (1). The second should be similar. You know that ##\mbox{sgn}(x)## just gives the sign of its argument, x, which means that you basically just have a piecewise constant integrand.

The easiest way to approach it, or at least the most straight-forward, would be to split the Fourier integral up in regions where ##\cos(2\pi z/\Lambda)## is positive and regions where it is negative.

If you were doing an actual Fourier transform, there are infinitely many regions where it is positive, and infinitely many where it is negative, so you will have a sum over each kind of integral. I wasn't able to get the sum to work out to something sensible, though there's a fair chance I was making a mistake.

If you are computing a Fourier series, then your integrals for the coefficients are not over infinite bounds, but only the period of your periodic function. You can still split up the integral into pieces, but there are only a few of them now, so it will be easier to manage.

For part (2), it looks like you basically just have an additional constant term. Do you know what the Fourier transform representation or the Fourier series representation of a constant is?

Does this help you get started, or should I explain my suggestion in more detail?
 
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FT of a constant is a multiple of the delta function.
Is this possible by just using tables? I just need the result. For example, in a table we can find the FT of the signum and the FT of the cosine. Is there any way to combine them?
 
snickersnee said:
FT of a constant is a multiple of the delta function.
Is this possible by just using tables? I just need the result. For example, in a table we can find the FT of the signum and the FT of the cosine. Is there any way to combine them?

No, you can't find the Fourier series by just knowing the Fourier transform of the signum and the Fourier transform of the cosine.

What you can do, however, is think about what kind of function ##\mbox{sgn}(\cos(2\pi x/\Lambda))## represents, and see if you can find a Fourier series for that kind of function. Hint: plot ##\mbox{sgn}(\cos(2\pi x/\Lambda))##; what kind of wave is that?
 
snickersnee said:

Homework Statement



How can I figure out the Fourier transform of the following:
I'd prefer to use tables if at all possible.
1. d(z)=d_{eff}sign[\cos[2\pi z]/\Lambda])
(note this is one function inside another one.)
2. d(z)=d_{eff}(1/2)(sign[\cos[2\pi z]/\Lambda]+1)

3. d(z)=d_{eff}\frac{1}{2}a\{u(z)-u(z-\frac{\Lambda}{2})\}+\frac{1}{2}b\{u(z-\frac{\Lambda}{2}))-u(z-\Lambda)\}

d_eff, a, b and Lambda (the period) are constants. u(z) is the step function. (I'm using it to model a square wave)



Homework Equations


See above


The Attempt at a Solution



I took this class a long time ago. There were some kind of rules about what to do if a constant is added, or multiplied by a constant, or if functions are nested, please refresh my memory. For example, if two functions are added in time domain, does that also mean they are added in frequency domain?
FT of step function is this: \sum_{n\ odd}\frac{4}{n\pi}e^{iwt}-e^{-iwt}
FT of signum function: 1/(pi*i*f)
I need the exponential form but I can convert.

In (1) you have written, essentially,
\frac{\cos(2 \pi z)}{\Lambda}.
Is that what you want, or did you really mean
\cos\left(\frac{2 \pi z}{\Lambda}\right) ?
 
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