Whats the rule for a Secondary of a transformer VS Rectification metho

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The discussion revolves around the ratings of transformer secondaries in relation to full-wave rectification methods, specifically focusing on the implications of using a center-tap transformer and the current handling capabilities of its windings. Participants explore the relationship between transformer ratings and the operational characteristics of rectifiers.

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  • One participant recalls a lecture about transformer and rectification ratings, questioning if a full-wave rectifier using a center-tap transformer allows each secondary winding to handle half the output current due to conducting for only half the time.
  • Another participant agrees that in a full-wave rectified transformer, each half of the secondary winding conducts for half the time, suggesting that a winding rated for 5 amps could theoretically deliver 10 amps.
  • A similar point is reiterated, emphasizing that this holds true for a center-tap configuration, while a full-wave bridge rectifier would be limited to the winding's rating.
  • Some participants mention the need for corrections regarding the non-sinewave current's different RMS value, providing a link to additional resources.
  • One participant proposes a formula for drawing DC current from a full-wave center-tap bridge, questioning if it could be 1.27 times the secondary AC current.
  • Another participant challenges the assumption of a purely resistive load and raises the issue of filtering the rectifier output with a capacitor to achieve nearly pure DC.
  • A further response seeks clarification on the concept of loading the windings 180° out of phase, explaining that a center-tap with a full-wave bridge provides two supplies and questioning the implications of equal positive and negative currents.
  • The same participant suggests that if positive and negative currents are equal, the current available would be less than proposed, indicating that the transformer does not get a rest between half cycles.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of transformer ratings and rectification methods, with no consensus reached on the assumptions regarding current draw and load conditions.

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Participants discuss various assumptions related to load types, the effects of filtering on rectified output, and the operational characteristics of different transformer configurations, indicating a need for clarity on these points.

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I seem to remember my lecturer talking about Transformers and Rectification methods and there ratings for different modes of operation (25 Years ago).

I bought a book called Understanding DC Power Supplies By Barry Davies and I can't find any reference to my question in it.

The question is if you use a Full-wave rectifier using a center tap transformer and 2 diodes, can each of the transformers secondary rating be equal 1/2 the output current needed because each winding is only supping the power for 1/2 the time?
 
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In a full wave rectified transformer, each half of the transformer secondary winding conducts for only half the time.

So, for example, if the winding was rated for 5 amps then it could deliver 10 amps if it was only delivering it for half the time.
The winding can cool down between bursts of conduction.
 
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vk6kro said:
In a full wave rectified transformer, each half of the transformer secondary winding conducts for only half the time.

So, for example, if the winding was rated for 5 amps then it could deliver 10 amps if it was only delivering it for half the time.
The winding can cool down between bursts of conduction.

This is only true if it is a center tap common secondary. A full wave bridge that utilizes the whole secondary at once will be limited to its rating.
 
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jim hardy said:
try here

there's some additional correction for the non-sinewave current's different RMS value

http://www.hammondmfg.com/pdf/5c007.pdf

Could I assume if I had a Full Wave Center Tap Bridge and loaded the windings 180 ° out of phase I may be able to draw I D.C = 1.27 x Sec. I A.C ?
 
smokingwheels said:
Could I assume if I had a Full Wave Center Tap Bridge and loaded the windings 180 ° out of phase I may be able to draw I D.C = 1.27 x Sec. I A.C ?

Are you really going to have a purely resistive load? Are you not going to filter the rectifier output with a capacitor to obtain nearly pure DC?
 
smokingwheels said:
Could I assume if I had a Full Wave Center Tap Bridge and loaded the windings 180 ° out of phase I may be able to draw I D.C = 1.27 x Sec. I A.C ?

i'm not quite sure what you mean by " and loaded the windings 180 ° out of phase "

but a centertap with full wave bridge gives you two supplies, one positive and one negative
provided you use the centertap as circuit common. I think that's what you are proposing ?

I think that'd be equivalent to the diagram labeled " Full Wave Bridge Resistive Load" just above and right. Reason is each half of the transformer winding conducts all the time
Compare that one to your proposed circuit - in your scheme, if positive and negative currents are equal then there's none through centertap so circuits are equivalent and your current available is 0.9 not 1.27, mostly because transformer doesn't get that rest between half cycles.
 
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