What's wrong with this diagram of magnetic field lines?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a diagram of magnetic field lines presented in a book on magnetism, which some participants claim is incorrect. The conversation explores the rationale behind the diagram, the classical representation of magnetic fields, and the implications of the author's claims regarding mistaken concepts in magnetism.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the validity of the book's claim that the classical diagram of magnetic field lines is incorrect, suggesting that the observed field gradients explain the differences in magnetic attraction.
  • Others assert that the book is correct in identifying the classical representation as a mistake, pointing to the title "Mistaken Concepts of Magnetism" as evidence.
  • A participant expresses confusion over the book's approach, noting that it presents a classical view and then claims it is incorrect, leading to questions about what the correct representation is.
  • Some argue that the diagram's flaws lie in how the field lines are drawn between the poles, questioning why the lines do not connect the inner poles directly.
  • There is a suggestion that the book's publication date (1974) may affect its relevance and accuracy in modern discussions of magnetism.
  • Participants discuss the implications of the magnetic field's strength being weaker in the middle of a bar magnet, with one participant seeking clarification on this point.
  • Some express frustration with the lack of clarity in the book's explanations and the perceived misunderstanding of the author's intentions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether the book is correct or incorrect. Multiple competing views remain regarding the interpretation of the diagram and the author's claims.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the potential misunderstanding of the author's intentions and the context of the book's publication. The discussion reflects varying interpretations of the magnetic field representations and the implications of field strength in different regions of a magnet.

Who May Find This Useful

Readers interested in magnetism, physics education, and the interpretation of scientific diagrams may find this discussion relevant.

  • #31
If there ever is a poster child on why you should never show bit and snippets of something and hope to get a rational discussion on it, this thread will be it!

This has been a complete waste of time.

Zz.
 
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  • #32
http://www.theoldscientist.co.uk/Documents/Books/Magnetism-and-Its-Effects-on-the-Living-System-by-Roy-Davis-and-Rawls.pdf here is the link to the book online go and check it out I strongly suggest to everyone.

The book is pure crap.BEWARE

@magnetics , I hope you do realize that this book is wrong , have you been reading it a lot? If you have some messed up things in your head feel free to ask them here so that we can try to clear this up.
 
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  • #33
Reading their rationale they also say that...
"a magnet has a magnetic equator and it is at this point where the spins of electrons change their phase relationship and present us two fields of energies and two different potentials of magnetic energy."
They say the magnetic energy leaves the S pole spinning to the right and dips to the centre (equator) of the magnet, then leaves the same location and spins to the left entering the N pole.
This is as shown on the first diagram I attached.
Supposedly (the authors say), the reason why field lines as shown by iron filings are misleading is because each iron filing becomes it's own magnet in the presence of the magnetic field.
 
  • #34
iron and other ferromagnetic metals do become magnetized in the presence of a magnetic field but it has nothing to do with what the authors are talking about.

It's just that metals are good conductors , both electrical and magnetic, well not all of them but most are.

@ Zapper, yeah you can sure put this thread in history for how NOT to make a reference to something.

But honestly i don't blame the OP because a book like this one can be confusing as hell, so if your not prepared for what you read you can get yourself into a lot of trouble , I have had my expierence in this one too , thank god I realized and turned around to throw out the crap I was once presented from a few guys who were trying to make a Nobel prize ... :D
 
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  • #35
Here is the page in the middle, sorry for the confusion... :confused:
 

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  • #36
Just forget about it , two guys tried to make history with some crazy absurd ideas , many have tried many have failed , just read up on magnets on wikipedia , not a perfect source but definitely 100% more reliable than this book.
or get a nice approved decent book about the topic and read that one and ask questions , feel free.
 

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