When can Gauss' theorem be applied?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the applicability of Gauss's theorem in electromagnetism, particularly focusing on the conditions under which it can be effectively utilized. Participants explore various geometries and scenarios, including concentric shapes and parallel planes, and question the limitations of the theorem in less conventional configurations.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that Gauss's theorem is typically applied to concentric spheres, concentric cylinders, and parallel planes, emphasizing the role of symmetry in evaluating integrals.
  • Another participant argues that Gauss's theorem can be applied wherever the requirements are satisfied, suggesting that while it may not be useful in all cases, it remains valid.
  • A different viewpoint highlights that the use of symmetrical surfaces is due to the electric field being constant in magnitude and direction, which simplifies the integral calculation.
  • One participant mentions a limitation of Gauss's theorem, stating it may not be applicable in rotating frames.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing opinions on the applicability of Gauss's theorem, with some asserting it can be used broadly under certain conditions, while others emphasize its practical utility is limited to high symmetry scenarios. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific conditions and limitations of the theorem.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the symmetry and configurations of surfaces are not fully explored, and the discussion does not resolve the implications of applying Gauss's theorem in non-standard geometries or rotating frames.

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I'm currently reading an electromagnetism textbook and it has said that Gauss's theorem can only be applied on:

Concentric spheres
Concentric cylinders
Parallel planes

In these cases the "symmetry allows the integrals to be evaluated"

In class we only ever really use co-axle cables, micro-strip lines, parallel plates, and point charges as examples, as these all can be described by one of these 3 shapes. My question is asking about the more obscure shapes that could still technically be called one of these 3 shapes.

For example when talking about micro-strip or parallel plates the planes are always above and below each other, as shown in the picture bellow.
mstrip.gif

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But can the two planes be next to each other? They would still be parallel, they are just now at the same height. For example a micro-strip with the feed and ground line both on the same side of the PCB.
 
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It can be used everywhere where the requirements are satisfied, otherwise it would not be a theorem. This does not mean that it has to be useful everywhere, however.
A capacitor with parallel plates is probably easier to evaluate without Gauß, but this would give the same result.
 
Hey

I studying em as well. The way I understand it is that the reason these symmetrical surfaces are used is because the electric field is constant in magnitude and direction everywhere on the surface. This makes the integral trivial.

Gauss' law does apply everywhere, but it is only useful in this way in when there is high symmetry.
 
i read somewhere that Gauss's theorem can be applied anywhere except in rotating frames
 

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