When can I use Helmholtz equation for electromagnetics

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The discussion revolves around the conditions under which the Helmholtz equation can be applied in electromagnetics, particularly in relation to the complete Maxwell wave equation. Participants explore the implications of using the double curl operator "∇×∇×" versus the Helmholtz equation, focusing on scenarios involving charge density and dielectric properties.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the Helmholtz equation can be used when there is no charge, implying that the electric field is transverse in piece-wise homogeneous systems.
  • Another participant questions whether the Helmholtz equation can be applied in cases of abrupt changes in dielectric function, seeking clarification on additional situations that necessitate the use of the double curl operator.
  • A participant explains the mathematical relationship between the double curl operator and the Laplacian, stating that the replacement is valid only if the divergence of the electric field is constant across space.
  • It is noted that this conclusion holds for homogeneous isotropic linear dielectrics, but not for anisotropic dielectrics, such as quartz, where different dielectric constants exist in different directions.
  • Participants discuss the implications of using a dielectric tensor in anisotropic media, highlighting that non-constant charge density can lead to non-vanishing divergence of the electric field, thus complicating the application of the Helmholtz equation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the applicability of the Helmholtz equation versus the double curl operator, particularly in relation to dielectric properties and charge density. No consensus is reached on the conditions that dictate the use of each approach.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations related to the assumptions of homogeneity and isotropy in dielectrics, as well as the dependency on the nature of charge density in different media. The implications of abrupt changes in dielectric function remain unresolved.

Jeffrey Yang
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The complete Maxwell wave equation for electromagnetic field using the double curl operator "∇×∇×". Only when the transverse condition is hold, this operator can equal to the Laplace operator and form the helmholtz.

My question is what's the condition can we use the helmoltz equation instead of the double curl operator "∇×∇×" one.

If there is no charge (both the free and polarized one), then the electric field is transverse. So even in the piece-wise homogeneous system, we can still use the helmoltz equation in that medium. Is this correct? If this is true, that means once the dielectric function is abrupt changed, we can always use the helmholtz equation to solve the source free mode in one of the homogeneous region and then use the boundary condition to get the overall distribution of the system. Is this right?

So is there any other situation that we have to use the double curl operator "∇×∇×" one apart from the gradual change of the dielectric function?

Thanks a lot
 
Jeffrey Yang said:
The complete Maxwell wave equation for electromagnetic field using the double curl operator "∇×∇×". Only when the transverse condition is hold, this operator can equal to the Laplace operator and form the helmholtz.

My question is what's the condition can we use the helmoltz equation instead of the double curl operator "∇×∇×" one.

If there is no charge (both the free and polarized one), then the electric field is transverse. So even in the piece-wise homogeneous system, we can still use the helmoltz equation in that medium. Is this correct? If this is true, that means once the dielectric function is abrupt changed, we can always use the helmholtz equation to solve the source free mode in one of the homogeneous region and then use the boundary condition to get the overall distribution of the system. Is this right?

So is there any other situation that we have to use the double curl operator "∇×∇×" one apart from the gradual change of the dielectric function?

Thanks a lot

Since
$$
\nabla\times\nabla\times \mathbf E = \nabla\nabla\cdot \mathbf E - \Delta \mathbf E
$$
for any field ##\mathbf E##, you can replace it by ##-\Delta## if and only if ##\nabla \cdot \mathbf E = const(\mathbf x)##, i.e. charge density is independent of position.

This is the case for homogeneous isotropic linear dielectric, as can be seen in the following explanation. Because we have dielectric,
$$
\nabla\cdot \mathbf D = 0
$$

and because of isotropicity and linearity,
$$
\mathbf D = \epsilon \mathbf E
$$
where ##\epsilon## is a constant independent of position. Taking divergence of both sides, we obtain ##\nabla \cdot \mathbf E = 0##.

This conclusion is not valid for homogeneous linear dielectric that is anisotropic. For example, quartz has different dielectric constants in different directions. One can use dielectric tensor to describe linear relation between electric displacement field and electric field:

$$
\mathbf D = \mathbf \epsilon \cdot \mathbf E.
$$
Now, if we take divergence of both sides, we obtain the equation

$$
0 = \sum_i \partial_i\left(\sum_k \epsilon_{ik} E_k\right).
$$

Taking into account homogeneity of the medium, we can drop derivatives tensor components:
$$
0 = \sum_i \left(\sum_k \epsilon_{ik} \partial_i E_k\right).
$$
Since the tensor must be symmetric (I think due to laws of thermodynamics), there is a coordinate system where the tensor is diagonal and referring to this system we can write this equation as
$$
0 = \sum_i \left(\epsilon_{i} \partial_i E_i\right)
$$
where ##\epsilon_i## are the principal dielectric constants (in three perpendicular directions, main axes of the crystal). This means that, if all principal dielectric constant are the same, divergence of ##\mathbf E## vanishes, but if they differ, in general the electric field can have non-vanishing divergence.

Thus in anisotropic medium, space charge of bound nature can occur and if it is not of constant density (which may happen if EM waves propagate in the medium), ##\nabla\times\nabla\times## cannot be reduced to -laplacian.
 
Jano L. said:
Since
$$
\nabla\times\nabla\times \mathbf E = \nabla\nabla\cdot \mathbf E - \Delta \mathbf E
$$
for any field ##\mathbf E##, you can replace it by ##-\Delta## if and only if ##\nabla \cdot \mathbf E = const(\mathbf x)##, i.e. charge density is independent of position.

This is the case for homogeneous isotropic linear dielectric, as can be seen in the following explanation. Because we have dielectric,
$$
\nabla\cdot \mathbf D = 0
$$

and because of isotropicity and linearity,
$$
\mathbf D = \epsilon \mathbf E
$$
where ##\epsilon## is a constant independent of position. Taking divergence of both sides, we obtain ##\nabla \cdot \mathbf E = 0##.

This conclusion is not valid for homogeneous linear dielectric that is anisotropic. For example, quartz has different dielectric constants in different directions. One can use dielectric tensor to describe linear relation between electric displacement field and electric field:

$$
\mathbf D = \mathbf \epsilon \cdot \mathbf E.
$$
Now, if we take divergence of both sides, we obtain the equation

$$
0 = \sum_i \partial_i\left(\sum_k \epsilon_{ik} E_k\right).
$$

Taking into account homogeneity of the medium, we can drop derivatives tensor components:
$$
0 = \sum_i \left(\sum_k \epsilon_{ik} \partial_i E_k\right).
$$
Since the tensor must be symmetric (I think due to laws of thermodynamics), there is a coordinate system where the tensor is diagonal and referring to this system we can write this equation as
$$
0 = \sum_i \left(\epsilon_{i} \partial_i E_i\right)
$$
where ##\epsilon_i## are the principal dielectric constants (in three perpendicular directions, main axes of the crystal). This means that, if all principal dielectric constant are the same, divergence of ##\mathbf E## vanishes, but if they differ, in general the electric field can have non-vanishing divergence.

Thus in anisotropic medium, space charge of bound nature can occur and if it is not of constant density (which may happen if EM waves propagate in the medium), ##\nabla\times\nabla\times## cannot be reduced to -laplacian.

Thanks a lot
 
Jeffrey Yang said:
Thanks a lot
You're welcome.
 

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