When is the Mechanical Advantage of a Pulley Greater Than 1?

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The discussion revolves around the mechanical advantage of pulleys, specifically when it is greater than or equal to 1. The original poster questions the mechanical advantage in scenarios involving unequal weights and the effects of tension and gravity on a pulley system.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the conditions under which mechanical advantage changes, including the roles of friction, pulley type (fixed vs. movable), and the application of force versus gravitational force.

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Participants are actively questioning the definitions and implications of mechanical advantage in different pulley setups. Some guidance has been offered regarding the impact of pulley type and friction, but no consensus has been reached on specific values or outcomes.

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There is an emphasis on neglecting friction in some scenarios, and participants are considering how the mechanical advantage is influenced by the configuration of the pulley system and the weights involved.

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For a pulley, when is it that the mechanical advantage is greater than 1 and when is it that it is equal to 1? If a rope was hung over a pulley with unequal weights applied to both ends, the larger weight (77kg) would pull the lesser weight (30kg) upward, and so what would the mechanical advantage there be?

The thing about this question is that if a rope were hung over a pulley and the tension at each point was the same (neglecting the mass of the rope and pulley), then how is it that if both ends of the rope point downward that the mechanical advantage becomes 2 (if there was just that one pulley)? Is the mechanical advantage any different if someone was applying a force to one end of the rope compared to gravity acting alone?
 
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The mechanical advantage of a pulley has nothing to do with how much force you apply. What does affect mechanical advantage is the presence of friction (friction lowers the mechanical advantage) and whether the pulley is moveable or fixed.
 
I see, I see. I understand, so it is the friction. Now, let's say that we had a single pulley (disregarding friction), what would be the mechanical advantage of using that one pulley?
 
Depends on how you use it. Is it moveable or fixed? For example, if the pulley is fixed to the ceiling, what's its mechanical advantage? (Figure it out by considering how much you have to pull down to lift up a given weight.)

On the other hand, what if you attach the pulley to the weight and tie one end of the rope to the ceiling. How much would you have to pull up to raise the weight in that case?
 
So it varies based on the condition...I see. Thanks.
 

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