# When to use derivatives?

1. Mar 13, 2008

### thharrimw

when to use derivatives??

i have taught myself all the different ways to find derivatives that were in a old college text book so I was wondering if anyone could tell me how you know when you need to use derivatives.

2. Mar 13, 2008

### rocomath

Not really sure how to answer this.

Obvious reasons: when the problem asks you to, if you're trying to find the max/min/inflection points of a function, related rates?

3. Mar 13, 2008

### thharrimw

i mean in real life uses for derivatives.

4. Mar 13, 2008

### HallsofIvy

Staff Emeritus
Well, think about what derivatives are. The derivative of a function is the rate of change at a specific point rather than 'average rate of change'. You do NOT need derivatives if your "real life" consists of saying "do you want fries with that" but any sort of technical work that requires precise answers (an exact value rather than an approximation or an average) uses the derivative.

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5. Mar 13, 2008

### CompuChip

If physics is "real life" enough for you, you need them all the time. As HallsOfIvy said, derivatives measure rates of change. Commonly encountered in everyday life are rate of change of position (a.k.a. velocity), velocity (a.k.a. acceleration), temperature, and about any other physical quantity you can think of.
Also if you have any model which involves rates of change in time, you will encounter derivatives, whether it be water height of the sea, air flow through a tube or stock rates.

6. Mar 14, 2008

### thharrimw

ok but how do you get the equations of someone walking.

7. Mar 14, 2008

### nicksauce

Here's a flowchart for you:

Is the quantity you're interested in changing with time and/or with space?
Yes? "Use Derivatives"
No? Then why are you interested in it?

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8. Mar 14, 2008

### tiny-tim

… it all depends …

Hi thharrimw!

I suspect that what's worrying you is why would you. for example, want to find the derivative of the distance when you could easily measure the speed directly?

And the answer is … in practice, it just depends what is easiest to measure!

If someone is walking, or driving, and you want to know their speed … well, you just measure it by using a radar gun, or looking at the speedometer, or …

In that case, it would be really silly to measure the distance, and do a calculation.

But sometimes you aren't able to measure the speed directly.

For example. you might want to know how fast a tank of water is emptying, but your only measurement is of the height of a float on the top. Then you'd have feed the measurements into a computer, which would find the derivative for you. (Or you could just plot the heights on a graph, and measure the slope!)

It all depends …

9. Mar 14, 2008

### thharrimw

thanks tiny-tim that helps alot becouse i know how to find derivatives but i am just starting to learn where you should use them