When to use H when to use U(H)?

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The discussion centers on the appropriate contexts for using the Hamiltonian operator, H, and the time evolution operator, U(t), in quantum mechanics. Participants explore the theoretical implications and applications of these operators in relation to system dynamics and state evolution.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that H is the operator of energy and is used to determine the energy of a state from the eigenstate equation.
  • Another participant explains that U(t) is a time shift operator used to understand the evolution of a state over time, given its initial state.
  • Some participants argue that it is not necessary to know the energy of a system to apply the time development operator U(t), citing its use in scattering and time-dependent perturbation theory.
  • There is a reiteration of the definitions of H and U(t) by multiple participants, emphasizing their roles in energy determination and time evolution, respectively.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether knowledge of the energy is a prerequisite for using the time evolution operator U(t). Some assert that it is necessary, while others argue against this requirement, indicating a lack of consensus.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of applying quantum mechanical operators and the varying interpretations of their roles in different scenarios, particularly in relation to systems that may not conform to the standard eigenstate framework.

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Hello,
If the dynamics of the system are descibed by a Hamiltonian, H please could someone explain when should I be using
|\right \psi(t) \rangle=H\left |\right \psi(0) \rangle
and when to use
|\right \psi(t) \rangle=U\left |\right \psi(0) \rangle
where
U=e^{-iHt/\hbar}

Thank you
 
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H is the operator of energy. You use it, when you want to know the energy of a state from the eigenstate equation:
H \phi(0) = e \phi(0)

U(t) as you defined it, is a time shift operator. You use it when you want to know what will happen with your state after time t, provided you know it at time 0.
\phi(t) = U(t) \phi(0)

You must first know energy from the first equation before you check time evolution from second equation.
 
haael said:
You must first know energy from the first equation before you check time evolution from second equation.
No.

You can apply the time development operator to systems w/o knowing their energy; this works even for systems (wavefunctions) that are not solutions to the Schrödinger equation specified by H. This is used both in scattering and in time-dependent perturbation theory: you can e.g. look at the scattering of plane waves in a given potential V (a certain H=T+V); it is clear that the plane waves do not solve the Schrödinger equation, therefore they are not eigenstates of H, but nevertheless you can use U (or some scattering operator derived from U) to evolve the plane waves in time and study the scattering matrix.
 
haael said:
H is the operator of energy. You use it, when you want to know the energy of a state from the eigenstate equation:
H \phi(0) = e \phi(0)

U(t) as you defined it, is a time shift operator. You use it when you want to know what will happen with your state after time t, provided you know it at time 0.
\phi(t) = U(t) \phi(0)
.
Thank you
 

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