When we say current, I, through a wire is uniform, what do we mean?

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of uniform current in a wire, specifically what is meant by a uniform current density and how it relates to surface current density. Participants explore definitions and implications of these concepts in both theoretical and practical contexts.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that if the current is uniformly distributed through a wire, then any two regions of the cross-section with the same area will carry the same current.
  • There is a question regarding whether the current, denoted as I, refers to the current through a cross-section that is perpendicular to the flow of current.
  • Participants inquire about the definition of surface current density and its implications in the context of steady current.
  • One participant quotes Griffith's definition of surface current density, which involves a "ribbon" of infinitesimal width and questions the necessity of this concept.
  • Another participant clarifies that the surface current density is a local property and does not depend on the length of the ribbon used for visualization.
  • A mathematical definition of surface current density is presented, involving the relationship between surface current density and the current flowing past a differential line element.
  • Concerns are raised about the dependence of current on the length of the ribbon, suggesting a potential misunderstanding of the definition.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity and implications of using a "ribbon" to define surface current density, indicating a lack of consensus on this aspect. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the clarity and applicability of the definitions provided.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations include potential misunderstandings of the definitions and the pedagogical aids used in explaining surface current density. The discussion also highlights the dependence on specific interpretations of terms like "ribbon" and "length" in the context of current flow.

pardesi
Messages
337
Reaction score
0
when we say the current through a wire is uniform and is I what do we mean
 
Last edited:
Physics news on Phys.org
Consider the circular cross-section of the wire. Now consider just the top half-circle, and the bottom half-circle.

If the current is uniformly distributed through the wire, then the current through each of these half-circles is the same: I/2.

Generally, if the current is uniformly distributed through the wire, the any two regions of the cross-section with the same area will be carrying the same current.

- Warren
 
and does the current is i mean the current through the cross section perpendicular to current flow
 
Usually, yes.

- Warren
 
ok two more.
how do u define surface current density
also when we say in cas eof steady current the current through the wire is i what do we mean
 
The answers to the question of definition can be found in any textbook. I would suggest that you look in the appendix of Griffith's--maybe under "surface current" or "current, surface"?
 
olgranpappy said:
The answers to the question of definition can be found in any textbook. I would suggest that you look in the appendix of Griffith's--maybe under "surface current" or "current, surface"?

i am asking u after reading from griffith :biggrin:
 
How does Griffith define surface current density and what, specifically, don't you understand about that definition?
 
Last edited:
well he says and i quote
griffith said:
consider a "ribbon" of infitesmal width dl_{p} running parallel to current flow and let the current through this be dI then we define surface current density K as K=\frac{dI}{dl_{p}} where dl_{p} is taken perpendicular to current flow

well what i don't understand about this is why should we take a 'ribbon' isn't a small width enough to define .also if a take a width then the current flowing across it in general would depend on the ribbon length
 
  • #10
pardesi said:
well what i don't understand about this is why should we take a 'ribbon' isn't a small width enough to define .also if a take a width then the current flowing across it in general would depend on the ribbon length
Surface current denslity is current per unit width of Griffith's ribbon, so
K times the width is the current.
 
  • #11
A somewhat more mathematical definition of surface current density is
"The surface current density is defined so that the current flowing past a differential line element
{\vec dL} on the surface is given by
<br /> dI={\vec K}\cdot({\vec dL}\times{\vec n}),
where {\vec n} is a unit vector normal to the surface."
 
  • #12
but since the ribbon has length and we have taken it along the flow of current won't the current depend on length of ribbon
 
  • #13
pardesi said:
well he says and i quote


well what i don't understand about this is why should we take a 'ribbon' isn't a small width enough to define .also if a take a width then the current flowing across it in general would depend on the ribbon length

The ribbon is introduced for visualization purposes. the surface current density is a local property and doesn't depend on any "ribbon" or "ribbon length" introduced as a pedogogical aid.

The surface currect density is a vector in the plane of the surface and in the direction of the current flow at a point. It's magnitude is proportional to the strength of the current I at the point.

If you integrate the surface current density along some line \vec \ell(s) embedded in the surface (here my line is parametrized by the real number s) you get the current flowing across that line:
<br /> I_{\textrm{across line}}=\int d|\ell|\hat t\cdot \vec K<br />
where \hat t is the one of the two unit vectors perpendicular to \frac{d\vec \ell}{ds} whose angle with \vec K is smallest.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 14 ·
Replies
14
Views
2K
  • · Replies 18 ·
Replies
18
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
3K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 29 ·
Replies
29
Views
3K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
1K