When Will the Alarm Sound for a First Order Transfer Function?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a homework problem involving a first-order transfer function that models the dynamic behavior of a pressure sensor/transmitter. Participants explore the implications of a sudden change in pressure and the timing of an alarm based on the transfer function provided.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • The transfer function relating the measured pressure to the actual pressure is given as Pm'(s)/P'(s)=1/(30s+1).
  • One participant attempts to solve for the time when the alarm sounds, suggesting that the alarm will sound at 1:10:33 PM based on their calculations.
  • Another participant expresses confidence in the first participant's method, indicating that there may only be an arithmetic error rather than a fundamental issue with the approach.
  • A third participant questions the correctness of their method and seeks reassurance about their solution.
  • A later reply suggests a different approach by ignoring the initial pressure of 35 psi, proposing that it might simplify the problem and reduce the risk of error.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on the correctness of the initial participant's solution. While one participant supports the method, another expresses uncertainty and seeks validation. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully addressed the implications of initial conditions in relation to the transfer function, and there may be missing assumptions regarding the application of Laplace transforms in this context.

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Homework Statement



The dynamic behavior of a pressure sensor/transmitter can be expressed as a first-order transfer function (in deviation variables) that relates the measured value Pm to the actual pressure, P:
Pm'(s)/P'(s)=1/(30s+1). Both Pm' and P' have units of psi and the time constant has units of seconds. Suppose that an alarm will sound if Pm exceeds 45psi. If the process is initially at steady state, and then P suddenly changes from 35 to 50 psi at 1:10 PM, at what time will the alarm sound?

Homework Equations



Pm'(s)/P'(s)=1/(30s+1)

The Attempt at a Solution



This is what I did however I don't think it's correct... :

If P'(s)=(50-35)/s=15/s
then Pm'(s)=[1/(30s+1)]*P'(s) --> Pm'(s)=15/[s(30s+1)] --> Inverse Laplace --> Pm'(t)=15(1-e^(-t/30))
Pm'(t)=Pm(t)-[P(t) steady state] --> Pm(t)=15[1-e^(-t/30)]+35
45=15*[1-e^(-t/30)]+35 --> t=33.3 s --> So the time would be 1:10:33 PM.

As I said I don't believe it's correct so any help would be greatly appreciated.
 
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I see nothing wrong with what you did unless it's an arithmetic error.
 
Are you sure? I want to make sure my method is correct and that this is the correct way to do this problem.
 
I am sure. I have been doing Laplace transforms and transfer functions for 40 years!

I would have done one thing differently: ignored the 35 psi initial pressure, calling it zero instead. Then the aiming pressure would be 10. Transfer functions by definition do not have initial conditions associated with them, so by concentrating on the transfer function itself you are less likely to slip up. This particular transfer function is the simplest one in existence (other than a constant) so take my word for it, it's better that way.
 

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