Where Did I Go Wrong in Calculating Net Current Through a Circle?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the net current through a circular path using the integral form of Ampère's law. Participants are examining the steps taken in the calculations and identifying potential errors in the application of the law.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are analyzing the transition between different forms of the integral equation and questioning the validity of the steps taken. There are inquiries about the meaning of vector notation and the integration process involved.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided hints regarding the integration process and the importance of maintaining vector notation. There is an ongoing exploration of the steps leading to the perceived mistake, with no explicit consensus reached on the correct approach yet.

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There is a mention of using LaTeX for clarity in mathematical expressions, indicating a focus on proper notation in the discussion. Participants are also reflecting on the integration variable and its implications in the calculations.

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Homework Statement
The magnetic field at any point in the xy plane is given by B vector = A r vector times K, where r vector is the position vector of the point, A is a constant, and K is a unit vector in the +z direction. The net current through a circle of radius R, in the xy plane and centered at the origin is given by:

A) π AR^2/μ0
B) 2 π AR/μ0
C) 4 π AR^3/3μ0
D) 2 π AR^2/μ0
E) π AR^2/2μ0

Ans : D
Relevant Equations
∮ B * dl =μ0 * I
Here's what I did:
∮ B * dl =μ0 * I
∮ AR * 2π*R =μ0 * I
∮ 2π*AR^2 / μ0 = I
∮ 2π*AR^3 / 3μ0 = I

Where did I do wrong?
 
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"B vector = A r vector times K, where r vector is the position vector of the point, A is a constant, and K is a unit vector in the +z direction"
Not sure what that means. Is that ##\vec B=A\vec r\times\hat k##?
 
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haruspex said:
"B vector = A r vector times K, where r vector is the position vector of the point, A is a constant, and K is a unit vector in the +z direction"
Not sure what that means. Is that ##\vec B=A\vec r\times\hat k##?
yes!
 
hidemi said:
Here's what I did:
∮ B * dl =μ0 * I
∮ AR * 2π*R =μ0 * I
∮ 2π*AR^2 / μ0 = I
∮ 2π*AR^3 / 3μ0 = I

Where did I do wrong?
The mistake is in the step going from
“∮ B * dl =μ0 * I”
to
“∮ AR * 2π*R =μ0 * I “
Can you spot it?

Learning to use Latex for equations is not that hard. Click the 'Latex Guide' link (bottom/left of the window where you enter message). If you are posting regularly, it's worth the time/effort.
 
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Steve4Physics said:
The mistake is in the step going from
“∮ B * dl =μ0 * I”
to
“∮ AR * 2π*R =μ0 * I “
Can you spot it?

Learning to use Latex for equations is not that hard. Click the 'Latex Guide' link (bottom/left of the window where you enter message). If you are posting regularly, it's worth the time/effort.
Could you give me a hint? please.
 
hidemi said:
Could you give me a hint? please.
Hint 1:
What are you integrating with respect to, in your expression “∮ AR * 2π*R ?

Hint 2:
Going from:
“∮ B * dl =μ0 * I”
to:
“∮ AR * 2π*R =μ0 * I “
your have removed the "dl" and replaced it with 2πR. What does that tell you?

If you still haven't got it, click on this spoiler:

By using 2πR you have completed the line-integral. So your second equation should simply be:
“AR * 2π*R =μ0 * I “
without the “∮" symbol. You have completed the integration! No further integration is needed!

As an additional note, you should really be writing expressions such as ##∮ \vec B \cdot \vec {dl}## because the question is stated in terms of vectors and we are integrating the scalar (dot) product of two vectors.
 
Steve4Physics said:
Hint 1:
What are you integrating with respect to, in your expression “∮ AR * 2π*R ?

Hint 2:
Going from:
“∮ B * dl =μ0 * I”
to:
“∮ AR * 2π*R =μ0 * I “
your have removed the "dl" and replaced it with 2πR. What does that tell you?

If you still haven't got it, click on this spoiler:

By using 2πR you have completed the line-integral. So your second equation should simply be:
“AR * 2π*R =μ0 * I “
without the “∮" symbol. You have completed the integration! No further integration is needed!

As an additional note, you should really be writing expressions such as ##∮ \vec B \cdot \vec {dl}## because the question is stated in terms of vectors and we are integrating the scalar (dot) product of two vectors.
Thank you for answering my stupid question :)
 
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