Where Did I Go Wrong in My 3-Way Vector Calculation?

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The discussion revolves around a participant's difficulties with a three-way vector calculation, specifically seeking help to identify errors in their approach. The scope includes homework-related problem-solving and technical reasoning regarding vector addition and component resolution.

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  • One participant requests clarification on their calculation method, indicating uncertainty about the approach used.
  • Another participant suggests using the "head to tail" graphical method instead of resolving vectors into components, noting that the latter can lead to compounding mistakes and rounding errors.
  • A different participant questions the accuracy of the computed y value for the second vector, proposing a check using the Pythagorean theorem and suggesting that reliance on Pythagoras may introduce unnecessary complexity.
  • There is a mention of specific trigonometric values (sin 60 and cos 60) and their exact forms, implying that familiarity with these values could simplify calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the calculation methods, with some advocating for graphical methods while others highlight issues with component resolution. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to vector calculations.

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Participants point out potential rounding errors and incorrect arithmetic, but the specific assumptions or definitions leading to these issues are not fully explored.

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This discussion may be useful for students or individuals seeking to understand vector calculations, particularly in the context of homework problems involving multiple vectors and their components.

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I can't remember what this method of calculation this is as it's been a while since I've done this.

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Could someone explain to me what I've done wrong in my calculations?

The answer was 13.8N at 80 degrees.

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You are asked to do it graphically. The method you are looking for is "head to tail".
What you did was resolve the vectors into components, add the components... this approach is prone to compounding mistakes.
You probably have rounding errors due to irrational numbers, check your arithmetic too
i.e. the value for y in (2) is incorrect.

... notice
- for (2) and (3) the triangles are similar - in the technical sense: the 90-60-30 triangle has sides of ratios 1:2:√3
- force B and force C are 90deg to each other.
 
Look at how you computed y in the second vector is it really sqrt(7^2 - 3.5^2) = 2?

does 2^2 + 3.5^2 =?= 7^2? that's a simple check you could have done.

Also if you're going to use sin and cos why are you bothering with pythagoras? it takes longer to compute and its not elegant in this case.

The third vector y value is 15/2 = 7.5 an exact number which again shows why using Pythagoras causes a rounding problem that didn't need to be there.

You should KNOW that sin 60 = sqrt(3)/2 and cos 60 = 1/2 and you should know that sqrt(3) = 1.732...

Hope this helps.

Take care.
 
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Thanks Simon and jedishrfu. It turns out it was the wrong calculation in (2) as you guys spotted.

Need to triple check my work next time :smile:
 
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