Where Does Energy Go in Plastic Deformation of Materials?

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The discussion revolves around the energy transformation during the plastic deformation of materials, specifically focusing on the bending of a steel bar. Participants explore the fate of energy expended in this process, considering aspects of heat generation, work done, and atomic-level changes in the material.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions where the energy goes when bending a steel bar, suggesting that some energy is lost as noise and heat, while wondering if the rest contributes to plastic deformation without being recoverable.
  • Another participant mentions hysteresis losses due to loading and unloading, indicating that energy is converted to heat during the process.
  • A different viewpoint asserts that work is done on the bar, contributing to deformation and heat generation, suggesting that the equation E = Q + W holds true.
  • Some participants express confusion about how energy is consumed at the atomic level during deformation, particularly in relation to heat and stored energy.
  • One participant explains that plastic deformation involves creating shear stresses and breaking atomic bonds, indicating that energy is used in these processes.
  • Another participant connects the increase in entropy during deformation to the energy consumed, questioning if the entropy increase is equivalent to that from heating the bar.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on how energy is transformed during plastic deformation, with some agreeing on the role of heat and work, while others remain uncertain about the atomic-level processes and the implications for energy conservation.

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There are unresolved questions regarding the exact mechanisms of energy consumption during plastic deformation and the relationship between heat generation and work done at the atomic scale.

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I have a simple question that I cannot find a compelling answer for.

If I expend (let's say) 100 kJ bending a steel bar into a right angle, where did the energy go?

Some will obviously be expended as noise and heat. Will the rest be expended in the plastic deformation of the bar? No useful mechanical energy can be obtained from the bar after the 100 kJ is invested in it. Did almost all the energy go into elongating and compressing the steel grains and migrating dislocations? If so, that almost seems like 100 kJ disappeared from the universe without any being stored for later use or any heat being created. That doesn’t satisfy E = Q + W, right?
 
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Due to loading and unloading you would get hysteresis losses which manifest as heat.
 
Well, you moved molecules of the steel around (F x d). I'd say that was work. Heat was expended in the process. I think E = Q + W is satisfied.
 
rock.freak667 said:
Due to loading and unloading you would get hysteresis losses which manifest as heat.

So in other words, 100 kJ of heat is created when 100 kJ of energy is spent bending a bar?
E = 100 kJ, Q = 100 kJ, and W = 0 kJ?

I'll have to read more on hysteresis as well. Thanks for the reply.
 
SethGrace said:
So in other words, 100 kJ of heat is created when 100 kJ of energy is spent bending a bar?
E = 100 kJ, Q = 100 kJ, and W = 0 kJ?

I'll have to read more on hysteresis as well. Thanks for the reply.

No, you are doing work on the bar, some of which goes into deforming the bar and some is converted to heat.
 
Thanks again for the reply.

I suppose I'm basically stumped on how (on the atomic scale) deforming material consumes energy.

I understand how heating an object results in increasing the RMS velocity of its constituent atoms as well as how compressing a gas increases its pressure and temperature and gives it the capacity to do useful work. I don't understand how plastically deforming a piece of metal results in the equivalent creation of heat and stored energy however. I also cannot visualize that conservation of energy on the atomic scale.

Again, thanks for all the replies.
 
At the atomic level, metals are really like crystal lattices. They have atomic bonds and arrange themselves in planes. In plastic deformation, you are creating shear stresses between atomic planes and breaking bonds. That's where the energy is going. The atoms during bending try to configure themselves into the lowest energy state possible.
 
I think I'm starting to see it.

When the atoms scramble to find the lowest energy state after plastic deformation, heat is created which increases the entropy of the system. Additionally, by breaking bonds in the lattice structure, the entropy of the system has also been significantly increased, right? That way energy consumed by deforming the material is not 'protected' from entropy.

If I were to spend 100kJ heating up the steel bar I would increase the entropy of the system as much as I would if I spent 100 kJ bending the bar, correct?
 

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