Where Should Radiation Be Considered in Heat Transfer Through a Wall?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the role of radiation in heat transfer through a wall composed of multiple layers, specifically in the context of a homework problem involving a heated apartment wall. Participants explore the temperature profile across the wall, the assumptions regarding heat transfer mechanisms, and the placement of thermal resistances in their analysis.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions where radiation should be considered in the heat transfer analysis, particularly in relation to the outer surface of the wall.
  • Another participant asserts that the temperature within the layer B is constant due to insulation, while the heater layer's temperature varies, being highest towards layer B and decreasing towards layer A.
  • It is suggested that the assumption of the outer surface being close to -10°C allows for linearization of the radiative heat transfer equation, indicating that radiation and convection should be accounted for at the outer surface.
  • One participant raises concerns about the lack of heat loss mechanisms from the room, arguing that the room side of the heater mat must be at room temperature, which would imply that the temperature in layer B remains constant.
  • There is a reiteration that all heat generated by the heater mat must flow outward once temperatures stabilize, with some participants suggesting that the resistance associated with layer B may be negligible.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the behavior of temperatures within the layers and the role of radiation in the heat transfer process. There is no consensus on the placement of thermal resistances or the implications of the assumptions made regarding temperature and heat loss.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in the problem setup, such as the assumption of no ventilation and the neglect of heat loss through the ceiling and floor, which may affect the overall heat transfer analysis.

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Studying for a test, and this problem stumped me because of the confusing nature of the question... Not sure where radiation shld come into play. Any help appreciated! THANKS!

1. Homework Statement
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The walls of an apartment are made of two layers of mat with a heater layer in between.
Thickness, thermal conductivity, emissivity of each surface and convective heat transfer coefficient in still air are given above.
The outdoor temperature is at -10oC, and the indoor temperature is controlled by the heater layer.
Assume the apartment has 4 side walls, each 10m wide and 3m high, and heat loss through ceiling and ground are ignored.
Also assume inner surface of the wall (facing indoor) are perfectly insulated, but do not assume convection and radiation at outer surface is negligible.

(a) Sketch the (steady-state) temperature profile across the wall, from the outer surface to the inner surface.
(b) The heater is generating heat at 250W/m2. What is the steady state temperature of the Mat B layer? To estimate the radiation heat transfer coefficient at the outer surface of the wall, assume temperature at surface of Mat A is close to -10oC.

2. Equations
Conduction across plane (without heat generation):

q=kAΔT/L
T(x) = Tsurface1 - ΔTx/L
Rt
= L/kA
Conduction across plane (with heat generation):
d2T/dx2 + q/k = 0
T(x) = T(x) = Tsurface1 + qL2/2k (1 - x2/L2)
Thermal Resistance
Rconv = 1/hA
Rrad = 1/εσA(Ts + Tsur)(Ts2+Tsur2)


The Attempt at a Solution



(a) Assume temperature within heater layer is constant (can I do so?),
heat2.png

I drew them linear because without heat generation, the profile is linear. The slope in mat A is also steeper due to the k/L ratio compared to mat B. (Is this alright?)

(b) So to solve this, I drew a thermal circuit. However I'm not sure where to place the radiation resistance. Please help me verify if I drew this correctly.
The question says assume surface of A is -10C, wouldn't that means no radiation and convection?

circuit.png

Please help! Any help appreciated thanks so much !
 
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Here are my thoughts on this:
1. The temperature within B is constant, since the inner wall is insulated.
2. The temperature within the heater layer is not constant. It is highest at the side toward B and decreases monotonically toward A, but not linearly.
3. There reason they say that the outside surface is close to -10 is so that you can linearize the equation for the radiative heat transfer. So there actually is radiation and convection at the outer surface.
4. Your diagram of the resistances is basically correct.

Chet
 
I might be wrong but...

There appears to be no mechanism for heat to be lost from the room - no ventilation and the loss from floor and ceiling is to be ignored? If that's correct the room side of the heater mat cannot be hotter than the room. If it was heat would flow into the room and raise the temperature. Likewise if the room side of the heater is colder than the room heat will flow out of the room and the temperature will fall.

So I would argue that the room side of the heater mat must be at room temperature. So the temperature in B will be constant. I think you can forget about Rb. All the heat generated by the matt must flow outwards once the temperatures are stable.

So I'm thinking it must be something like this (although Chester points out it wouldn't fall in a linear manner in the heating mat).

heat2.png
 
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CWatters said:
I might be wrong but...

There appears to be no mechanism for heat to be lost from the room - no ventilation and the loss from floor and ceiling is to be ignored? If that's correct the room side of the heater mat cannot be hotter than the room. If it was heat would flow into the room and raise the temperature. Likewise if the room side of the heater is colder than the room heat will flow out of the room and the temperature will fall.

So I would argue that the room side of the heater mat must be at room temperature. So the temperature in B will be constant. I think you can forget about Rb. All the heat generated by the matt must flow outwards once the temperatures are stable.

So I'm thinking it must be something like this (although Chester points out it wouldn't fall in a linear manner in the heating mat).

View attachment 75112
Yes. That's what I was getting at when I said that "The temperature within B is constant."

Chet
 

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