Where the hell did my thread go???? https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?p=1025395#post1025395 Here it is again: About the theory put forth by Planck (Planck's constant) that everything is determined and measurable...even human nature (if we had enough data...like asimov touched on in the foundation series..) Later his theory was refuted by Heisenberg because the more accurate you measure a particles velocity, then the less acurate you can measure its position...and visa versa...so basically if we cannot even measure one particle absolutely accurately...and accurately predict its movement because our measuring it will affect it, (using light waves to scatter) then we cannot possibly measure and predict a determined universe. "The uncertainty principle" Well, just because we are measuring it does not mean that it is not determined…"we" may not be aware of the universes determination, but it can still exist..and us attempting to measure it can just be a part of this determination...and all changes we cause to any single atom of the universe is determined to happen through us as we are indeed "part" of this universe...interwoven and not of free will. In other words...imagine an omnipotent being with all knowledge watching his predicted determined universe unfold before his eyes. Everything he is seeing is exactly as he predicted it would happen...right down to Planck's attempt to measure and predict a determined universe...which makes the omnipotent being chuckle as he predicted Heisenberg would soon refute Planck's theory, unaware of his own oversight concerning the "uncertainty principle"