Which books are good for reviewing classical mechanics?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around recommendations for textbooks suitable for reviewing classical mechanics, particularly in the context of finding alternatives to well-known texts like Goldstein and Arnold. Participants express challenges in locating these books online and discuss various resources for studying classical mechanics.

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  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks recommendations for textbooks that are comparable to Goldstein or Arnold for reviewing classical mechanics.
  • Another participant mentions the legality of downloading textbooks and suggests looking for online courses that might have free resources.
  • Some participants express frustration over the difficulty of finding alternative titles to Goldstein, noting that they are not aware of other suitable options.
  • There are discussions about the pricing of textbooks, with mentions of used copies available on Amazon and the variability of availability based on location.
  • A suggestion is made to consider David Tong's lecture notes as a potential resource.
  • One participant emphasizes that Goldstein may not be the best choice for a review unless the reader is already familiar with it, recommending intermediate texts like Symon or Marion instead.
  • Concerns are raised about the ethics of downloading textbooks illegally, with some participants arguing about the implications of such actions on the publishing industry.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on specific alternative textbooks to Goldstein, and there are differing opinions on the appropriateness of Goldstein as a review text. The discussion includes both support for and against illegal downloading of textbooks.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the level of review needed, which affects their recommendations. There is also a mention of the Internet Archive's availability, which may influence access to resources.

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Hello :

i am reviewing my physics classes , which book you recommend for good review in classical mechanics , and i am not able to find the goldstein book online , do you know something i can find online , and is in the level of goldstein , or arnold

Best regards
H
 
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You can find all those books you mention in the Internet, but it would be illegal to download any of them, unless you get official permission. Yes, I'm afraid good old times of Gigapedia and the like have long gone. Have you tried any relevant courses on the OCM.MIT site? Many instructors have their textbooks online there.
 
sadly i dont know another title than goldstein which create some difficulties when looking for a textbook , about the pedia , more like general knowledge than a text book
 
hagopbul said:
am not able to find the goldstein book online
In other words, steal it.
 
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Goldsrein's estate must get what, $2K or $3K a year in royalties. I can't believe people begrudge his family that,
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
Goldsrein's estate must get what, $2K or $3K a year in royalties. I can't believe people begrudge his family that,
People begrudge the remainder of the $253 list price that goes to the publisher. Admittedly, Arnold is more reasonably priced, but Springer is now print on demand.
 
Amazon has used copies, 30 to 45 Usd.
 
hagopbul said:
sadly i dont know another title than goldstein which create some difficulties when looking for a textbook , about the pedia , more like general knowledge than a text book
Well, Gigapedia was a site with about half a million scientific titles in downloadable formats. When authorities shut it down, it was described like a second Library of Alexandria loss by its users. There was even some sort of petition signed by a number of academicians to reopen it!
 
gmax137 said:
Amazon has used copies, 30 to 45 Usd.
The availability can be country dependent.
 
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hagopbul said:
Hello :

i am reviewing my physics classes , which book you recommend for good review in classical mechanics , and i am not able to find the goldstein book online , do you know something i can find online , and is in the level of goldstein , or arnold

Best regards
H
Wait a bit, the Internet Archive was down but it is now back and running (no login allowed for the moment though).
 
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Frabjous said:
The availability can be country dependent.
True. But my point was, you don't always have to buy the latest $253 new copy; look for used. Especially when it is for self study.
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
In other words, steal it.
There is a misunderstanding if I wanted to download a copy of it I wouldn't ask for other titles , I am using Internet archive to borrow books ,but goldstein is not available so I am asking if you know other titles which are as good as goldstein for review
 
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The moral calculus is fairly simple: I want it, I don't want to pay for it, so I am going to just take it. Or rather, since I don't have the gumption to take it myself, complain nobody has done the hard work for me.

"I'm only going to steal the one" is not an argument I find strong.

Textbooks are expensive to produce. Sales are low for all but a few intro-level books. so these costs are amortized over a small number of books. That raises the price for everyone. They aren't stealing from the publisher. They are stealing from you.
 
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Thread closed for Moderation (and hopefully reopening)...
 
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A post suggesting an illegal book download site has been deleted (and warned), and the resulting side-discussion about illegal book downloads has been deleted. I've left V50's post above as a reminder about such downloads.

Thread is reopened provisionally.
 
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Your post suggest you want to review classical mechanics. You do not mention the level you want to review it. At the graduate level, you will probably use Goldstein, but I do not recommend it as a review text unless you already have read it and need a refresher. For example, if you need to review it for a doctoral qualifying exam, maybe goldstein is alright. Even if you studying for the qualifying exam are I think and intermediate text like Symon, or Marion would be better, because the problems on the test probably will not be as difficult as some Goldstein problems. If you are reviewing any undergraduate mechanics, it may be better to study one level down than your most advanced class, at least in the beginning of your review. For example, if you are reviewing junior or senior classical mechanics, you may want to be sure you understand freshman and sophomore level mechanics.
 
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