Which constant should we send to aliens?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the question of which mathematical constant should be sent to extraterrestrial intelligence as a test of their "intelligence." Participants explore various constants, their representations, and the implications of sending them, considering both theoretical and practical aspects of communication with aliens.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose sending the Golden Ratio (\phi=1.61803399) as a representation of intelligence.
  • Others suggest sending \(\frac{\pi^2}{6}\) or the Euler-Mascheroni constant (\(\gamma\approx0.577215665\)).
  • A few participants argue for sending a golden rectangle or simple sequences like prime numbers, citing their universal recognition.
  • There is a suggestion to use dimensionless numbers, like the nuclear fine structure constant, transmitted in binary code to ensure recognition across different counting systems.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the effectiveness of sending constants like \(\pi\) due to potential cultural differences in understanding geometric concepts.
  • Others advocate for sending sequences of primes or continued fractions as they might be less arbitrary and more recognizable.
  • Concerns are raised about the feasibility of sending signals that wouldn't be mistaken for noise, with some suggesting that a repeating binary code could indicate intelligence.
  • One participant humorously suggests sending all irrational constants or even imaginary constants as a playful approach.
  • There are discussions about the challenges of ensuring that the intended message is understood, including the need for a common framework for interpretation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a variety of opinions on which constant to send, with no consensus reached. Different viewpoints on the effectiveness and recognition of various constants and methods of transmission remain contested.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in communication methods, such as the potential for signals to be perceived as noise and the challenges of ensuring that the chosen constants are universally understood. The discussion also reflects assumptions about the technological capabilities of extraterrestrial beings.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those exploring the intersection of mathematics, communication theory, and astrobiology, as well as individuals curious about the implications of contacting extraterrestrial intelligence.

  • #31
Alkatran said:
Actually, I think a good start for the data you send is:
1010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010
followed by
11001100110011001100110011001100110011001100110011001100
111000111000
etc...

You know, so they know it's not random.

Who said they would think it's random?

Now, you got them all hooked on what the first number is. They'll feel stupid for not knowing and never contact us because they don't want to look or feel dumb.
 
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  • #32
Why would we want to send them a constant? I don't think we can send them transcendental constants...I would rather send them e^ipi +1 = 0 too :)
 

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