Which is Better for Line Tracking: IR Sensors or Phototransistors?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the suitability of IR sensors versus phototransistors for line tracking in a robotics contest. Participants explore the effectiveness, response times, and potential issues related to each sensor type in the context of tracking a white tape line.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a preference for IR sensors based on their fast response time and effectiveness in tracking the line.
  • Another participant questions the type of IR sensors being used, suggesting that if they are high gain sensors, they may be suitable for performance-based grading.
  • Concerns are raised about the sensitivity of IR sensors, particularly those used in remote controls, which may not be ideal for distinguishing the white tape from ambient reflections.
  • Some participants note that IR sensors have features like automatic noise suppression that may not be beneficial for analog applications like line tracking.
  • A participant mentions that phototransistors have been adopted in some applications due to cost considerations rather than performance issues with IR sensors.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether phototransistors are definitively better than IR sensors. There are multiple viewpoints regarding the effectiveness and appropriateness of each sensor type for the specific application of line tracking.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight potential limitations of IR sensors, including their sensitivity to ambient light and reflections, which may affect their performance in this context. The discussion also touches on the importance of grading criteria, which may influence the choice of sensors.

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Hi

I'm taking part in a robotics contest and that requires my robot to reach the desired destination using line tracking. The line to be tracked is made of white tape.

Now I'm in a sort of dilemma here. I was in favour of using IR sensors to track my line and through experimentation I found their response time to be quite fast and the sensors were also quite effective may I add.
But I have been advised against using them and instead was told to use phototransistors because that's what everyone else is using! Is this argument a good enough excuse? Also, do Phototransistors really have an advantage over IR sensors?

I would appreciate any help :)
 
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What kind of IR sensors? The kind that are used for receiving remote control signals. If that's what you're using they're high gain sensors with gains in the range of 70 - 80 dB. What are you being graded on? If the grade depends only on performance and as long as they can distinguish the tape from ambient noise, I'd say you're better off with the sensors.

However if you're also being graded for designing the circuit to detect the tape, you may be better off doing the sensor amplifier yourself.
 
Infra red sensors as used on TV sets require the incoming light to be switching on and off at a rate of 38 KHz, too.
So, you would need to arrange that.

They would probably be too sensitive for this application, though. Just the reflection off a shiny floor would be enough to register as a bright object instead of having to find the white tape.
 
vk6kro said:
Infra red sensors as used on TV sets require the incoming light to be switching on and off at a rate of 38 KHz, too.
So, you would need to arrange that.

They would probably be too sensitive for this application, though. Just the reflection off a shiny floor would be enough to register as a bright object instead of having to find the white tape.

Agreed. I have played around with them. They have automatic noise suppressor, gain adjuster etc etc, so they are only perfect for communication, not for analogue job like this one.

I had experienced that they are so sensitive at (the brightness level of) evening that they detect remote control ('s IR emissions) like wireless (by detecting it even through multiple reflections from walls and objects in the room). Just trying to give you the sense of its sensitivity.
 
M.Usman said:
I found their response time to be quite fast and the sensors were also quite effective may I add.
But I have been advised against using them and instead was told to use phototransistors because that's what everyone else is using! Is this argument a good enough excuse? Also, do Phototransistors really have an advantage over IR sensors?

Given that you apparently have used the IR sensors quite successfully, was the ONLY reason you were advised to use phototransistors because that's what everyone else is using?

Those IR sensors were used for many years in Chamberlain's photoeyes for garage door openers and were finally replaced with photodiodes, not because they didn't work well, but for cost reasons. Even at such close range they didn't pick up reflections from the garage floor or door.
 

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