Which is the best book for 12th grade chemistry

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The discussion revolves around recommendations for chemistry textbooks suitable for 12th-grade students, covering various topics such as atomic structure, chemical equilibrium, and organic compounds. Participants explore different books and their suitability for learning chemistry, as well as the availability of these resources.

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  • One participant lists specific chemistry topics they are interested in and requests a link to download a textbook.
  • Another participant questions the intent behind the request and notes forum policies against sharing links to copyrighted materials.
  • Some participants recommend "Chemical Principles - Quest For Insight" for those familiar with calculus, citing its approach to basic chemistry concepts.
  • Concerns are raised about the quality of Atkins' textbooks, with one participant criticizing its logical structure and another suggesting alternatives like McQuarrie Simon for physical chemistry.
  • Participants mention other textbooks such as those by Silberberg and Whitten, noting their accessibility for beginners but expressing frustration over their pricing and content choices.
  • Oxtoby's book is mentioned positively for its coverage of thermodynamics and quantum chemistry.
  • Some participants express differing opinions on the effectiveness of "Quest for Insight," with one finding it suitable for casual learning while another critiques its simplicity and reliance on calculus.

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There is no consensus on which textbook is the best choice, as participants express a range of opinions about various books and their effectiveness for different learning styles. Disagreements exist regarding the quality of specific textbooks and their suitability for the intended audience.

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Participants reference the need for calculus knowledge to fully engage with some recommended texts, and there are concerns about the legality of sharing download links for copyrighted materials. The discussion reflects a variety of personal experiences with the recommended books, highlighting subjective preferences.

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these are the topics which i want:
  1. atomic structure
  2. periodic classification of elements
  3. s,p,d,f blocks
  4. co-ordination and bio co-ordination compounds
  5. radioactivity
  6. solid state
  7. chemical equilibrium
  8. chemical kinetics
  9. thermodynamics
  10. surface chemistry
  11. electrochemistry
  12. stereochemistry
  13. alcohols
  14. ethers
  15. aldehydes
  16. ketones
  17. carboxylic acid
  18. amine

please give me a link where i can download the book
 
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Do you know calculus? Is this for your own enjoyment or to supplement a class predominantly?

Also, unless the book is publicly available there is a policy against providing links to downloads of most textbooks.
 
Indeed.

If you know Calculus the book to get IMHO is Chemical Principles - Quest For Insight:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/1429288973/?tag=pfamazon01-20

And, it is against forum rules to give links to download unless its publicly available such as a pre-print or something like that.

Thanks
Bill
 
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bhobba said:
If you know Calculus the book to get IMHO is Chemical Principles - Quest For Insight:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/1429288973/?tag=pfamazon01-20

In my oppinion, Atkins is just horrible. I remember his book on physical chemistry which is full of circular logic, e.g. he starts out from some heuristical definitions of temperature in terms of gas thermometers and mentions that an exact definition will be given later.
Then he derives S=Q/T and then defines T as dS/dU.
On his book on theoretical chemistry my former teacher simply remarked that Atkins hasn't understood quantum mechanics.
 
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DrDu said:
In my oppinion, Atkins is just horrible. I remember his book on physical chemistry which is full of circular logic, e.g. he starts out from some heuristical definitions of temperature in terms of gas thermometers and mentions that an exact definition will be given later.
Then he derives S=Q/T and then defines T as dS/dU.
On his book on theoretical chemistry my former teacher simply remarked that Atkins hasn't understood quantum mechanics.

I've read both the Physical Chemistry and the Quest of Insight books, and I have to say that, while I agree with you on the Pchem book (McQuarrie Simon is my pick here), Quest for Insights is not that bad for casual learning of basic chemistry. Simple concepts, almost self contained chapters (as long as that is possible), lots of (simple, perhaps too simple) examples and very nice graphics.
Other chemistry books on the same level are those by Silberberg and Whitten. I could not say I would be totally satisfied with them (why, why, why all those useless photographs? Put some more equations instead!), but they are an acceptable solution for starters. What is outrageous is the price! Find a used copy or rent them from a library!
 
Oxtoby is pretty good for thermodynamics and quantum.
 
SredniVashtar said:
Quest for Insights is not that bad for casual learning of basic chemistry. Simple concepts, almost self contained chapters (as long as that is possible), lots of (simple, perhaps too simple) examples and very nice graphics.

After reading the very negative comment I thought it was just me being a math guy and the fact it uses, horror of horrors, calculus. I only had a passing interest in Chemistry anyway which is why I got the book - it seemed more suited to my background than other stuff like what seemed to be the common Zumdahl.

I thought it was fine, explaining concepts well, but then again I am primarily a math guy with an interest more in physics than chem.

Thanks
Bill
 

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