Which way do I measure the potential difference

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The problem involves measuring the potential difference between points M and N in a circuit with identical bulbs and batteries. The original poster expresses confusion about the correct approach to determine the potential difference, particularly regarding the paths to consider in different scenarios.

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  • Participants discuss the ambiguity in measuring potential difference, particularly in different circuit scenarios. Questions arise about the relevance of battery polarity and how it influences the measurement of potential difference.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring various interpretations of the potential difference based on circuit paths. Some guidance has been provided regarding the significance of battery polarity, but there is still uncertainty about how to apply this to the specific scenarios presented.

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Participants are grappling with the implications of circuit paths and battery polarity on potential difference calculations. There is a noted lack of consensus on how to approach the problem, particularly in scenario C.

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Homework Statement


All the bulbs in the circuits are identical, as are all the batteries. Rank the magnitude of the potential difference between points M and N.
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V=IR

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My most fundamental question is actually which way do I know to take the potential difference of? For instance, in A, should I only take the potential difference of the batter, or the other way round (where the bulbs are)? In fact, scenario C seems even more ambiguous to me... But once I get the direction of the potential difference right, I think I can tackle the problem.
 

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The battery terminals are marked + and -.
 
JessicaHelena said:
For instance, in A, should I only take the potential difference of the batter, or the other way round (where the bulbs are)?
The potential difference between any two points in the circuit is the same regardless of the path you choose (exception exists but that's not relevant here).
What does that tell you about VMN in A?
 
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@cnh1995 — that it's equal to the battery's voltage? But if it's regardless of the path chosen, I don't quite get C because it seems one way you can get V/2 volts (if V is the battery's voltage) and the other way you can get V + V/2 = 3V/2 volts?

@CWatters — I'm sorry if this should be obvious, but how do the + and - help?
 
JessicaHelena said:
the other way you can get V + V/2 = 3V/2 volts?
No, you must get V/2 in this case too. BTW, what is your "other way"?
Check the polarity of the voltages you use in this path (Refer the battery polarity (+ and -)).
 
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JessicaHelena said:
@CWatters — I'm sorry if this should be obvious, but how do the + and - help?

Gives you the "direction" of the potential difference. Eg it tells you if M is positive or negative with respect to N.

Perhaps I missunderstand what you mean by "direction".
 
JessicaHelena said:
. the other way you can get V + V/2 = 3V/2 volts?

No that other way you get V - V/2 = V/2

Starting at N you go "up" V through the battery then "down" V/2 through the top bulb to get to M.
 

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