Which way to obtain ##f(x)## from measuring ##x_i##

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the methods for determining the acceleration due to gravity (g) from multiple measurements of the period of a pendulum. Participants explore two approaches to analyze the data: one that calculates g from individual period measurements and another that averages the period before calculating g.

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  • Technical explanation, Debate/contested, Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the two proposed methods for calculating g are equivalent, depending on the relationship between g and the period T.
  • Another participant states that if the relationship is linear, the methods are equivalent, but if not, the first method may be preferable.
  • A later reply clarifies that the specific relationship is given by g(T) = (2π)²l/T², prompting further inquiry into the implications of linearity on the equivalence of the methods.
  • One participant explains that if g and T are proportional, the conversion is a constant scale factor, making the method choice less critical. However, if the relationship is nonlinear, the distribution of uncertainties may change, potentially complicating the results.
  • It is suggested that measuring multiple periods in a single time measurement can reduce uncertainty, emphasizing the importance of the measurement strategy.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the equivalence of the two methods based on the relationship between g and T, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved regarding which method is superior under varying conditions.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the dependence on the nature of the relationship between g and T, as well as the impact of measurement strategy on uncertainty, but does not resolve these complexities.

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I am having a question concerning multiple measurements of the period of a pendulum, for let's say the determination of [itex]g[/itex].
Let's say I am using a stopwatch with an uncertainty in time [itex]\delta t[/itex] and I measure 10 times the period of the pendulum: [itex]T_1, T_2,...,T_{10}[/itex].
Are the two following approaches equivalent?
WAY 1: determine the [itex]g_1, g_2, ...,g_{10}[/itex] from the periods and the [itex]\delta g[/itex] and then take the average+std.
WAY 2: obtain the average period [itex]T[/itex] and its std from the different measurements and calculate [itex]g \pm \delta g[/itex] from error propagation.
 
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I don't know the relationship between g and T. If it's linear, the methods are equivalent. If not, the first way is better.
 
mathman said:
I don't know the relationship between g and T. If it's linear, the methods are equivalent. If not, the first way is better.

Sorry the relationship for the specific case is [itex]g(T) = \frac{(2 \pi)^2 l}{T^2}[/itex]
How did you deduce that for linear relationship the two ways are equivalent vs the 1st is better?
 
If g and T would be proportional, the conversion is just a constant scale factor, and it does not matter at which point you apply it.
If they are not, the transformation is nonlinear, if your distribution before is gaussian (or anything other that is reasonably well-behaved) it is probably not gaussian any more afterwards and can have funny effects. If your relative uncertainties are small this does not matter much, but with large uncertainties the second approach can fail completely.

Unrelated: You should not measure a single period. Measure 10 or even more in a single time measurement. That way your uncertainty goes down linearly with periods.
 

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