The discussion highlights surprising findings regarding African-American women and men in STEM fields, particularly their perceptions of gender associations within these professions. African-American women are noted to be less likely to associate STEM roles with men, while African-American men do not view STEM as predominantly masculine. This contrasts with the underrepresentation of African-Americans in STEM studies, raising questions about the actual graduation rates of women versus men in these fields. The conversation also touches on personal experiences in the engineering workforce, where women, particularly black women, are significantly underrepresented, suggesting that the trends observed in the article may not reflect the realities in professional environments. Concerns about sample sizes and the implications for broader representation in STEM education are also raised.