News Who do you plan to vote for: Obama or McCain?

[Gokul43201]

Well, except the main point: like I said before, nowhere in any of that does it say he supported keeping the Confederate flag on the SC capital bldg and in that first link, McCain is quite clear about what he said and why: he dodged the question because he didn't want to lose SC.

That was the main point? Okay, McCain didn't use those exact words, but anyone hearing his response would have gotten the impression that he supported it. So okay, perhaps it's a cleverly worded dodge, intended to deceive. McCain describes his own answer as a compromise of his principles and an act of cowardice.

But more pertinent to the topic of knowing where McCain stands, can you tell me how McCain personally sees the Confederate flag: as a symbol of Heritage or as a symbol of Racism and Slavery? I can't. From your own quotes it seems he sees it as the first on one day and the second on another.

Also, I think I've answered your other question about McCain's support for teaching ID/Creationism, and teaching it as a science. Clearly, he has stated support for both proposals.

 

[russ_watters]

That was the main point?

Considering how you wrote the question, yeah:

Q4. Where does McCain stand on the issue of the Confederate flag (and related race issues)?

The confederate flag was your benchmark issue, being that it was the only issue in the question. If AA had been your benchmark issue, you would have put it in the question statement.

Okay, McCain didn't use those exact words, but anyone hearing his response would have gotten the impression that he supported it.

You heard what you wanted to hear. What you heard, he didn't say. Clearly, not "anyone" hearing the response would hear what you did. Heck, even one of your links from the original statement has a quote from some radom SC redneck who saw straight through it! C'mon Gokul, you're too smart for this kind of bs.

But more pertinent to the topic of knowing where McCain stands, can you tell me how McCain personally sees the Confederate flag: as a symbol of Heritage or as a symbol of Racism and Slavery? I can't.

Seriously? I don't see how it could be clearer: he does not support it and he was always in favor of taking it down. And that is because it is a symbol of the racist/slavery heritage of the south (see thought process in my next post).

Also, I think I've answered your other question about McCain's support for teaching ID/Creationism, and teaching it as a science. Clearly, he has stated support for both proposals.

Again, you were loose with your interpretation, reading things that he didn't say. Same goes for your interpretations of Obama: you interpret him as being consistent by ignoring when he changes his stance.

 

[russ_watters]

Maybe I understand the confederate flag thing because I see it almost exactly the same way as McCain does. Here's how it works:

1. The Confederate flag is a symbol of southern heritage. Heck, that's basically a trivial historical fact right there. It literally is that.

2. What is that heritage? Well, the flag is actually the Confederate battle flag, which makes it a symbol for the confederate side of the Civil War and what they stood for.

3. The Civil War was partly/largely about slavery, not to mention treason/dissolving the union.

4. Therefore, the Confederate flag is a symbol of the southern heritage of slavery and treason and shouldn't be flown on a state capital.

It really is simple.

 

[Gokul43201]

Considering how you wrote the question, yeah: The confederate flag was your benchmark issue, being that it was the only issue in the question. If AA had been your benchmark issue, you would have put it in the question statement.

I wasn't asking if the Confederate flag was the main point. I was asking about your specific wording about flying the flag on the SC capitol. Anyway, the Flag became the "main point" of my point#4 only because I decided to take down point#5,6 and consolidate everything into #4. (I may be getting the numbering wrong here)

You heard what you wanted to hear.

Clearly, it's what McCain wanted me to hear, and more importantly it's what McCain wanted SC to hear. Or he wouldn't call his choice of words an act of cowardice and a compromise of principles.

What you heard, he didn't say. Clearly, not "anyone" hearing the response would hear what you did.

I would think most people would have, barring some random rednecks.

Heck, even one of your links from the original statement has a quote from some radom SC redneck who saw straight through it! C'mon Gokul, you're too smart for this kind of bs.

What bs? McCain admits he was being deceptive, but you don't think so?

Seriously? I don't see how it could be clearer: he does not support it and he was always in favor of taking it down. And that is because it is a symbol of the racist/slavery heritage of the south (see thought process in my next post).

If you look at the way most Confedereate Flag proponents seem to deal with this, calling the flag a "symbol of heritage" implies that it is a thing of pride. There's a very clear dichotomy implicit in the wording: symbol of heritage = good; symbol of slavery = bad.

Again, you were loose with your interpretation, reading things that he didn't say.

So when McCain was being asked a question about ID, because he didn't use the words "ID" in his response, he could just as well be talking about real estate values or Britney's rehab program.

Same goes for your interpretations of Obama: you interpret him as being consistent by ignoring when he changes his stance.

Wait, this is interesting. You say that what's horrible about Obama is not that he flip-flopped on Oil drilling, but that he was positioning himself to play both sides. Now you admit that on ID, McCain was doing essentially the same thing, but that's a positive?

 

[Air]

I can't vote as I live in UK but if I had the chance to vote then it would go to Obama.

 

[Raven]

Here's another poll that asks the same question. http://www.votenow2008.blogspot.com" gives you the chance to vote for McCain or Obama according to your state of registration and calculates the Electoral Votes based on the responses. By the way ineligible voters such as Americans under the age of 18 or Non-American citizens can also place their vote to be heard in sections provided specifically for those groups.